Datto Video: [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NbrQ1cA4I&lc=z22kfj4z1v3js1wbq04t1aokg22ptxt1xbhklxhfgjeebk0h00410.1506044235444845[/url] I had a big problem with 'ol Datto marginalizing everyone that doesn't like the new Nightfall timer system and basically telling them to deal with it and "git gud". So I respond: [i]BigTexB007: Datto you are bitch. 90% of the player base doesn't make a -blam!-ing living playing a video game like you do. You and other content creators who have spent 10+ hours a day playing this Game are not the measuring stick that everyone else needs to follow.[/i] And Datto Responds: [i]This is my opinion on the topic. If you want end-game, top level rewards, you should be expected to do top level, end-game content that is moderately difficult. I'm sorry that you think the pathetic 240 Nightfall has a ball-bustingly difficult timer, but it does not, even this week. I'm sorry that you can't just roll over the Nightfall anymore and have free loot thrown at you. I'm not going to agree with someone who says "remove the timer and replace it with nothing" because then we just get the exact same thing as Destiny 1, which was not hard at all. You wanna replace it with mechanics? You wanna replace it with bullet sponges? You wanna replace it with more majors? I don't care! Bungie isn't gonna throw mechanics into a strike, so that's out. People hate bullet sponges, that's out. People hate more majors, that's out. "Replace it with nothing." Fine, now you can get free raid loot, free trials loot AND free Nightfall loot for just logging into the game and being in a clan. I've yet to see a GOOD idea that keeps the difficulty of the Nightfall when replacing the timers, so if you have one, drop it here. I'm sorry that you actually need to think for a couple of minutes and plan a route through the Nightfall. Hell, I did a run yesterday of the normal Nightfall with someone who just hit 260 and has never ran the strike before, doing very little skipping at all: 6 minutes left on the clock. At some point, I think some people need to go, "maybe it's me?". End-game activity should be end-game effort. It's 15-20 minutes to get it done where you gotta focus once per week. Is that REALLY asking too much? REALLY? 15 minutes? But don't worry, because Bungie will succumb to the complaints of the masses and this shit will be nerfed by next expansion anyway, so you only need to deal with it for 3 months. [/i] And I respond back to him and fanboys, but I won't put that whole correspondence here, it can be seen in the YouTube comments. But someone on Reddit decides the post the interaction, WITHOUT posting my responses to Datto BTW. [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/71i684/datto_replies_to_getting_called_a_bitch_after/[/url] Apparently it's been there a little while, I just noticed it today. So I posted this reply: [spoiler]Wow. I find it super hilarious my YouTube comment to Datto made it to Reddit. Although obviously the support shown here is because of Datto's reply to me. Funny.. OP didn't include my replies back. Perhaps I was a bit harsh in calling Datto "a bitch". Maybe. Maybe not. The part I took exception to was not the fact that Datto likes the nightfall or the new timer. I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with folks liking the new mechanic. None at all. But, the fact is alot of people don't like this new timer mechanic. I sure as hell don't. And it has nothing to do with "challenge" or "difficulty". I don't like jumping through hoops, or searching areas for little Vex-ey looking boxes to shoot. It completely ruins the flow of the experience and is annoying as shit. And that's where Datto crossed in a line in his video. He marginalized that whole group of people who don't like this mechanic as being whiners who don't like a challenge or change, and basically tells them to STFU and "Git Gud" in so many words. THAT'S what I took exception to, and that's why I called him out. He finds it easy? No shit, he plays the game for a living. He finds the new "challenge" fun but can consistently overcome it? No shit, he plays the game for a living. He finds previous Nightfall styles boring and unchallenging? No shit he plays the game for a living. If he thinks he's the measuring stick for what's an "acceptable challenge" then he and his rabit fanboys can get bent. In many of the replies on Datto's youtube page I'm inundated with folks sharing their lives with me about what they do and how much responsibility they have, and how even with all that they don't find this nightfall a challenge... how I need to STFU and "Git Gud". And that's fine. Sure, I can understand that. But again, it's not really about challenge as to why I didn't like the last two nightfalls. It's because the timer modifier makes them an annoying chore when I'm supposed to be having fun shooting shit. And besides that, I'm not talking to THOSE PEOPLE who don't make a living playing a video game. I'm TALKING TO THE PERSON WHO MAKES A LIVING PLAYING A VIDEO GAME HE'S GOT NO BUSINESS TELLING NORMAL PEOPLE THEY NEED STFU AND "GIT GUD". In addition, Datto challenged me to tell him how I would change and I responded: I read over the part where you call me out to suggest a GOOD idea. Here you go 1. Keep Nightfall Modifier. Wipe restarts the strikes and zeros out the score (but does not take you to orbit) 2. 30 minute timer with no add time mechanics such as "hoop jumping" 3. Strike Scoring 4. Tiered Rewards based on a final Nightfall Strike Score. Score takes into account fireteam deaths, enemies killed, precision kills, and final time left on strike 5. Actually FUN modifiers along with the shit ones that create artificial challenge. Feels to me that'd address alot of concerns on alot of sides. True, the above may take some effort on Bungie's part... but hey just throwing a time constraint modifier is simply weak and lazy as shit. And again, reading your second paragraph... you truly are a pompous video game elitist. YOU ARE NOT THE MEASURING STICK FOR THE CONSUMER BASE AT LARGE. YOU PLAY THIS GAME FOR A LIVING. I think you need to go "Maybe it's me?".[/spoiler] Anyways, just thought I'd like to share with my b.net friends some funny interaction... made more odd by the fact that it went off on YouTube and Reddit, but not here where I hang. Still stand by my thoughts. And still think Datto can get bent sometimes. EDIT: WOW. I put the kids to bed, wake up, go to work, take a late lunch and look at my Destiny app and suddenly I've got 312 notifications. Alot of shit talk too, fantastic. I'll get to you guys, don't you worry. May take a little while because many of you are quite zealous in tearing me a new one, but I'll do my best to reply to each and every one of you. EDIT 2: Alright bitches, time to get some. It's on. EDIT 3: Haven't seen ANYONE address my original point (beyond supporting it) that people like Datto, and other full time video game players who do this for a living, have no objectivity when identifying what makes an acceptable challenge for everyone when all they do is play the game all day. And really shouldn't talk shit to the Everyman for finding something difficult or unenjoyable when the video game lifer doesn't. If Datto made a video stating why he likes the new timer system and showing support for it... I wouldn't have had any issue. At most, would've respectfully disagreed and stated why I don't like the timers. But that's not what happens... he goes on a tangent criticizing those who don't like it because they "don't like challenge" or "don't like change" or "want loot handed to them". That's bullshit.