There seems to be a general consensus among a sub-set players on this forum that if you spend an entire encounter hiding in a [i]known[/i] cheese spot, picking disadvantaged enemies off with a [i]sniper rifle[/i], you're not actually cheesing. You're "sniping". You're not cheaply exploiting the limitations of the AI to virtually render yourself immune to damage. You're "sniping".
Their usual rationale is that in real life, snipers engage targets from concealed locations, far beyond their range.
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* Wiping on the oracle section in the vault of glass so you can safely pick them off from the spawn platform isn't cheesing. It's sniping. If you're using a hand cannon, it's cheesing though. Gotta have a sniper rifle.
* Spending the Phogoth or Valus fight cowering in the shrieker room or under the ramp isn't cheesing. It's sniping from a concealed location. How else are sniper rifles meant to be used? To deal high damage to enemy crit spots? Puhlease.. You gotta hide.
* Sniping the enemies from the tower during the CE bridge section isn't cheesing. It's sniping from a tactically advantageous position. Despawning the adds is a side effect of finding the perfect crows nest, duh.
*If I didn't have my icebreaker equipped while pushing the templar off the edge with AOE grenades, this would totally be cheesing. It isn't though.
[i]* Forcing Crota to kneel by disconnecting the host pre-patch wasn't exploiting a glitch. In real life, cyber attacks are sometimes used to cripple an enemy's defenses. It's a legit strategy![/i]
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If you're exploiting a known cheese spot, you're cheesing. Weapon choice doesn't negate this fact. Keep in mind that cheesing is not cheating per sé, it's merely a cheap method of completing an activity, hence the name. While it isn't inherently wrong, the fact that people are so unwilling to admit they "cheese" only highlights the community's view on these methods.
EDIT: Bungie (unsuccessfully) patched the cheese spot under the platform on the Archon Priest boss fight. You could still occasionally be hit here, but were protected from 99% of the damage, while still being able to DPS the boss. The ramp and shrieker room locations during Valus and Phogoth allow you to do the exact same thing. These [i]are[/i] cheeses.
TL;DR
Sniping from a cheese spot is still cheesing.
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Lol. Glad no one's taking this seriously.
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This argument has Strawman falsities all over it, I'd take it much more seriously if it didn't have such a hateful tone to it.
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So I guess every military in the world thoroughly enjoys cheese.
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Bungie tweeted that the changes to Archon Priest were unintentional. Sniping from the bridge is not cheesing.
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I cheese on occasion, and have no problem admitting it. Doing nightfall last night, I spent some time on the rocks sniping and some time actually down killing enemies the normal way. At times, I just cba doing it the normal way. I don't even care, no shame. Lol
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You can call it cheesing if you'd like, I call it playing a video game however I see fit
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I don't think anything is CHEESE if we can do it - if you don't want me to snipe from a cliff then don't let me jump there. Don't want me to self res at the bridge then change the game. Don't want us to jump over the bridge without forming it - then change it. They gave us super powers so we can use them to win the game - so use them! Tired of hearing - are we cheesing it - NO - we are using our supers to do things to win the game!
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Your logic = 10 points to your faction.
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I just finished a bounty, had to collect tears from this thread.
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My goal is to kill, and not die. I will carry out this mission as efficiently at possible. There is no such thing as a clean fight. Idgaf if people don't like it.
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It's only cheesing if using a glitch and AP rounds.
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Think it's called being smart... Plus I used MY MONEY to buy the game so surely I can play however I see fit? I don't disadvantage other players in pvp so I'm not affecting anyone else's experience.
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You must have alot of time on your hands lol
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It's cheesing if you use a shotgun. There is no logic in OP's statement or mine. Legiter's logic If your not playing my way and your way is less complicated, then you're cheesing.
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[quote]It isn't cheesing if you're using a sniper rifle.[/quote] [spoiler]It isn't cheesing if you're using a gun either.[/spoiler]
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By your definition (finding areas where you can't be damaged and using them to your advantage) isn't using any cover cheesing? I'm not exploiting an AI limitation (Atheon walking off the platform). I'm not hacking the game. I am finding the best place on the map to inflict maximum damage on a powerful enemy trying to kill my guardian.
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I wouldn't call it cheesing but it is an unnecessary tactic and very annoying when you're in the action getting 80% of the kills
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I dont care who cheeses and who doesn't. I only care that i am having fun. People on this forum spend way to much time worrying about what everyone else is doing. Just enjoy the game however you want.
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You are totally right. Also using cover and shooting at enemies is cheesing. Even moving out of the way of projectiles. You should take enemy shots like a man and only use melee. Everything else is definitely cheesing...
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Well put. I agree completely.
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Your first mistake was thinking those spots are wrong to use. Your still inside the map. just using cover like a smart person. Now if you've wall breached and your sniping through with AP rounds that's cheesing.
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I thought this was going to be another thread complaining about sniping in crucible. Instead I'm pleasantly surprised! I also agree with you OP.
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Hi, I'm Jeremy. I'm a cheeser.
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I cheese the crap out of everything! !!!!!!! Used to do it the "right way" still do sometimes, but yeah my icebreaker was covered in Velveeta this week
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Edited by TomDR93: 4/23/2015 8:09:38 AMI don't have a problem with cheesing, I'll admit to it and not defend it, you're picking off enemies from a safe distance, no risk. I'll do the bridge cheese in CE if there's only 2-3 of us in game. But if I'm with a full team of 6 and one guy says 'cheese?', he's going to get an earful. I cheesed this week's NF when I ran it solo and then later when I had to clutch it because two team mates thought, '-blam!- it, I'll shotgun him'. [spoiler]judge me[/spoiler]