Every time I get a random group together the same question always comes up at the bridge section "Are we cheesing this bit?" Why!!!!!???? Not only is it just as quick to do it legitimately it's way more fun!! Being 4-2 in favour of cheese me and my buddy managed to convince them to try it at least once, they agreed and put the most pathetic attempt in to simply skip to the cheese. When I questioned said attempt I then realised that most of them didn't know what to do, these were player's with all crota raid gear and guns and they didn't know how to complete the most fun section of the raid, imo. The flood of excuses start coming from the team and the best one I heard was "What's the point of all that EFFORT just to get shards?" Well if that's your attitude there's no point in playing Destiny, you can get just shards from Crota himself after all and as for 'effort' it's a game, it's supposed to be FUN. As I don't actually need anything from Crota I was just raiding for fun, wiping on command and watching a pillock shooting his sniper rifle for age's is not what I had in mind so I left. So please stop forcing cheese because it's not fair on everyone else, would you enter any over game or activity if the only way you knew how to win was through cheating? Anybody else having this problem?? Edit: Most people are saying because it saves time due to people wiping, if everyone knew how to do it legitimately there wouldn't be as many wipes, no? Edit: Judging from the general response most people are past the point of taking satisfaction from legit completion and are just looking to save time, I can't really argue with that but I still think doing it legit should take priority as a lot of player's haven't even had the opportunity to attempt it 'properly' from fear of being kicked or ridicule which is a shame. Edit: If soloing or in a under manned team then you gotta be able to get across some how so I totally understand it if that's the case. Last Edit: If I had of posted this a couple of months ago saying "aww don't be elitist I'm just going to cheese everything is this shitty, broken raid " this forum would've exploded at me but now everyone is like oh it's ok to cheese now because I do it, this community is laughable sometimes. It really wasn't that long ago people were being 'crucified' for cheesing and now it seems most of you love it? Wtf!?