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Do the Gardener and Winnower truly exist?

In Shadowkeep, Bungie released the Unveiling lore book. It seems tells us the origin of the Light and Darkness, coming from primordial beings, the Gardener and Winnower, who’ve apparently always existed before even time, and exist outside the Universe. However, The Witch Queen then came along and revealed the big bad of the saga is the Witness. We as of yet have to learn of the Witness’ origins. In the past few years, they’ve been doubling down on Light and Darkness being neutral forces, it’s just that the Witness has mastery of the Darkness like no other and those that serve/worship it, much like the Traveler and Guardians as well as other Lightbearers. With this, do you think the Traveler and Witness are the Gardener and Winnower, or you think Unveiling is entirely metaphorical, and a way for the Witness to present its philosophy to us?
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  • [quote]In Shadowkeep, Bungie released the Unveiling lore book. It seems tells us the origin of the Light and Darkness, coming from primordial beings, the Gardener and Winnower, who’ve apparently always existed before even time, and exist outside the Universe. However, The Witch Queen then came along and revealed the big bad of the saga is the Witness. We as of yet have to learn of the Witness’ origins. In the past few years, they’ve been doubling down on Light and Darkness being neutral forces, it’s just that the Witness has mastery of the Darkness like no other and those that serve/worship it, much like the Traveler and Guardians as well as other Lightbearers. With this, do you think the Traveler and Witness are the Gardener and Winnower, or you think Unveiling is entirely metaphorical, and a way for the Witness to present its philosophy to us?[/quote] The gardener and Winnower are metaphors for the primordial beings, they are put in ways we can “understand” just how the Flower Game is a metaphor

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