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10/20/2021 10:20:03 PM
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Matchmaking for every thing - its time
Matchmaking for everything has been a hot polarising topic from day one. All the pros and cons have been laid out ad nauseum and nothing new has been said for years. But there is one word that solves all the problems OPTIONALITY. Each players viewpoint can be respected at no detriment to a player who wish to use the facility with a full understanding of the potential pitfalls..
Bungie are the slowest possible learners on this, every time they introduce any thing that requires six man teams the playing community consistently shows that six randoms can get it done most of the time. As this has not been introduced you can only speculate that there is some convoluted commercial gain to be had for Bungie been so anti.
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1 commentaireRaids and Master/Grandmaster content will be a complete disaster if they had matchmaking. Heck, raids already have a type of MM through Guided Games, and it's dead.
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1 commentaireThere's lfg which resolve the issues. You really would like to join random that you have no control over in a raid. Exemple: I've played with multiple new player doing vog for the same time. Sometimes, they are not even listening to tips you can give... lfg give you more control over the raid if you post it to prevent from not being able to kick someone that would be wiping the entire team multiple time because of the 'imminent something' that's an example of course. But if you join via matchmaking, if someone is not moving, or simply dying all the time(we have limited tokens) you can't do anyway over them, no one is the party leader..
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3 commentairesModifié par GANTZ : 10/22/2021 1:22:50 PMgive it up bro, i been posting threads like this since week 1 of D1 when i realized i cant play nightfalls , first i tought the game is bugged and the matchmake option is missing as the idea they would purposely not give it was just too absurd to consider there will never be matchmaking for everything in this game, if they did this they would basically admit being wrong for 7 years [i]"we will find you enemies, but we will not find you teammates" ~Bungie~[/i]
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Modifié par Ryan, The Spoil-Less : 10/22/2021 6:02:44 PMAlright, So you have 2 options. Quality, awesome team based content that is very rewarding and challenging. Everything a raid should be. Or, Shitty, watered down, easy content that is essentially a 6 man strike. So say they implement matchmaking. The devs can't make raids too challenging, complex or even remotely difficult anymore or people will start complaining. This then leads to really easy content that stops being fun after the 2nd run. You can't have it both ways, they either give raids matchmaking and keep them the same difficulty, or make them doable for the average player while cutting down the difficulty and replay value. So they basically risk pissing off an established community or pissing off little Joe and his army of blueberries that can hardly complete an adept strike. I know what I'd pick. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Sick of the incessant whining, just play the game and find a LFG. Don't want to? You're SOL then.
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Just lfg
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1 commentaireNo. Matchmaking for raids and Nightfalls with Locked Loadouts and Extinguish (sent to orbit when you wipe) is just setting people up to fail or creating opportunities for griefing/trolling. The Division 1 tried to use random matchmaking for their Incursions (similar to GMNFs). It was a DISASTER. Such a disaster that when they added formal raids to the game for The Divison 2, Massive learned their lesson and got rid of matchmaking. It just creates a toxic environment.
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8 commentairesI say bring on MM for raids. I wanna see all the complaints after.
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so after ad nauseum statements you still haven't grasped why there isn't matchmaking for everything... you're in the category of a child with their fingers in their ears screaming as to not hear what is said. a lot of these players can't do the stuff that has matchmaking, adding it to all optional or not is a bad idea. hence it not being in the game.
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1 commentaireEverything except for raids
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I still get teammates in the Hollowed Lair strike who leave the game because they think it’s glitched and don’t know how to stand on pressure plates to open a door. Adding matchmaking to other content is just a waste of time.
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85 commentairesModifié par KoboldHiredToStareAtYou : 10/21/2021 3:10:30 AMIm gonna give you the most basic scenario on what a raid with matchmaking would be like. 6 people go in, most have mics. 3 people know what to do and the other 3 either know certain encounters or is looking at a datto or Kakish guide. 2 people leave on the first wipe because they think they'll never get it done with the current team. This causes one or more players to leave again, now the remaining players are stucking waiting for other randoms to join. Those randoms also dont know what to do AND done have a mic, now the remaining players have to teach when all they want to do is get the raid done. Turns out the people there from the start of the raid are the only ones that have weapons for boss DPS because the rest, if not all the players are solos while most are new lights and looking for a new experience. The raid never gets done or does but after 5 to 6 hours through the process of like 20+ people joining and leaving. Is that the type of experience you want? And lets say all you want to do is get the raid exotic? Thats 5-6 hours on ONE character out of THREE only to possibly have it NOT DROP. Thats 5 to 6 hours wasted when you could have 1-3 hours wasted with an LFG... Or.. And spell it with me here.... F.R.I.E.N.D.S. or better yet... Your C.L.A.N. matchmaking is great and all but there are many activities that are much better off without it due to those types of situations. And don't try to tell me thats not likely to happen because its the destiny community youre talking about here, the people who leave after 1 round loss in trials/comp, the people who leave after one wipe in the NF, the people who dont understand rotating champion mods every season adds to the difficulty of said NF's and master VoG, the same people who demand you KWTD when they themselves dont know what theyre doing. And yes, i know you said its OPTIONAL... But the thing is, there are many solo players and most of them are THOSE type of players. As much as I myself would enjoy matchmaking for everything it just wont work out the way people want it to and that's why we dont have it for everything.
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Modifié par Carbiniz3r : 10/21/2021 4:43:16 PMI feel like this is why the entire Clan system in game needs to be reworked and more beneficial to the players. Because right now, you either have a small circle of friends together in a clan or you're in one of those ridiculously over populated ones because you dont have friends to play with. They need to generate a more happy medium with more benefits and communication features. Because With a happy medium, it would set up more players to confidently have a fireteam to do these 6 man activities
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I’m fine with MM for everything except raids and GMs. Those require at least some level of communication to finish. But nothing else is really that difficult that you need a premade team. Master NF, legendary astral alignment, legendary shattered realm, etc. are all easy to do with randoms and no communication. I haven’t even used a mic in a dungeon since early Shattered Throne. Any activity that has a triumph for completing it solo should also have matchmaking.
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Modifié par Sweet Lew 88 : 10/21/2021 10:09:16 PMI mostly solo too, but have no issues finding people to play with. LFG works great. I have a high success rate for completions with lfg. I've beaten all the raids for the first time with lfg teams. Matchmaking would be a nightmare, you don't get to choose your team.... Youd typically get the antisocial people that are too afraid to talk to people. Angry people that yell at you and can't explain things. You'd get match made with the people people always complain about, they don't do objectives in PvP or Gambit, they just afk, don't know how to throw the ball around in the corrupted strike or don't know how to turn public events heroic. Endgame content can be hard for 3-6 people to beat when everyone knows what to do. Nearly impossible with 6 randoms. If you want matchmaking, just do an lfg and allow anyone in, no mic necessary, no experience necessary.
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It ruins experiences for people who would’ve completed it if they formed a team. Take raids for example, someone MM a raid for the first time ever doing it. No one has a mic. People leave. No one knows what to do. It’s just an enormous waste of time and would possibly turn off someone from doing raids in the future. On the flip side if they want to experience the content they can join a group and complete it or at least try without it being a huge waste of time.
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Yes this is a good idea! Remember how people loved entering into Trials solo?! Even if it’s optional, it’ll just turn off those who haven’t raided.
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Yep the pros and cons are there but personally this is about having a choice it should be up to the players themselves to decide if they wanna matchmake with randoms in game or find a team on lfg i might be paranoid here but i have always felt like there is a weird motive behind not including match making almost like bungie kinda wants to create a divide between players soo not every player gets certain loot maybe im wrong but sure does feel like it tho cos players have proven with enough knowledge of the raids u can get by without the need for an amazing team u just need to learn and practice mechanics even if mics were just made a requirement for raids specifically it could work i dont personally believe in the all hope is lost attitude ive seen from people when it comes to raid match making i say let the chips fall where they may people might surprise u
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Makes sense for everything except for raids
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No to raids but there should be for the crap like legend astral or legend shadow realm. I hate having to get a group for a stupid triumph. We know those activities dont drop a damn thing and are usually a waste of time.
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Unnecessary
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Modifié par ButterMyBiscu128 : 10/21/2021 11:00:26 PMYou know what fine let it happen and don't change anything about any activity I wanna see what would happen, I wanna see if matchmade randoms can complete a raid or a gm nightfall, I wanna see if it's successful or forgotten about because you don't succeed with a bunch of randoms that don't wanna talk to each other, I just wanna see what happens.
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1 commentaireRaids with no mic blueberries would be problematic:)
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It [b][i]IS[/i][/b] time!
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I agree, it's time to add optional MM to almost everything. Even NF 1320 should have MM. If ppl and bungie are afraid of certain things then they can add requirements. For ex. If we doing 1350 NF, bungie can easily make it that you cant MM unless certain mods and LL is met. I really dont get why having options is so bad. Ain't like your guaranteed anything through lfg either, some of the team I end up with regardless of their mods or LL turn to be just as worse as no mic Joe who might be looking for a carry. So again I ask bungie, why so afraid of MM. Look how good the numbers were for trials, despite it getting worse through put the month because they kept meddling with the mode. They can try it put at least , give it a weekend test, let NFs and other legend activities have MM for that weekend and see the results. If it's really that super bad they can disable it.
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I expected some comment but not this many its a little overwhelming. Thank you all for replying especially those who detailed the possible impacts on some of the game modes. I do not disagree with the comments and yes it will happen but I remain firmly convinced there will be a large number of players who would take advantage of the option knowing this. The key for this to be a success is for the option button to be flexible enough to allow individual activities to be turned on and off. The page where this happens should also have a clear warning that activating some of these options could lead to a suboptimal gameplay experience.
