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5/5/2021 5:16:46 PM
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Why would bungie redesign PVP for players that hate PVP? If you struggle getting a 0.3 KD then you're getting stomped by average and below average players, not the top players you think you're dying to. SBMM doesn't work in Destiny because the player base is small and spread out around the world. This in turn results in all the players that like PVP being stuck in long que times and terrible connection quality in their game.
I'm not a flawless player, I barely ever go into trials and I generally get stomped there to even reach 3 wins. However based on my stats overall I'm above average. So for player like me, I get stomped in trials, and I can generally hold my own but have to put in a lot of effort to do well in Survival with SBMM. Now I want to also play crucible and have fun, not sweat all the time, so that's where CBMM control comes in. Sometimes I face ridiculous teams and get called on, other times I'm part of the team dominating, but I get to actually have a good time. PVP should be designed for players who like PVP.
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I was totally unaware of the issue facing better players, as I am not one of them, but your commitment are echoed by various people.
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Well you dont wana sweat every match.. but removing sbmm makes us old dads that peaked in d1 sweat every match.. theres no chill space to relive the glory days of hitting a high kill game. Alas dads are not worth the effort of a mode they can hide in.. I do wish there was a "dad" mode.. we dont mind longer wait times for a decent battle with similar skilled foes.
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I'm 31 years old myself, and I work aircraft maintenance, so I don't exactly have unlimited time, nor am I a hardcore pvp player. So your "dad" excuse is silly, if you want an easy mode, just go kill stuff in pve.
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Mate we all work.. Im not asking for easy mode im asking for a balanced skill matching
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You're literally asking for an easy mode. You don't want to face anyone that's better than you, you only want to face people of your level.
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Isnt that why cbmm was added.. so its not allways a sweat feast for higher skills??? And i dont care about better or worse. I just wana play without being felwinterd 20 times a min by a highly skilled bakris wearing child tbh. I would like to use a variety of guns
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No it was added because D2 has a small player base that can't support SBMM, leading to excessively long queue times and horrible connection quality for anyone that was above average. And changing matchmaking won't prevent you from getting killed by meta weapons. Majority of players use meta no matter what skill bracket they're in. If you actually care about weapon variety, you're far more likely to get killed by a non-meta weapon wielded by someone far more skilled than you, because an even skill player would be at a disadvantage without using meta. With SBMM if you want to perform well on your skill level you are absolutely forced to use the best setup you can have.
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I think his gripe stems from being forced to play PvP content to unlock something and that the method in which you get paired up against other people is not what would be considered competitive. The examples given are spot on - you wouldn’t take an upper level math course without first learning the basics. There will always be tiers to the population but to go from toddler to Olympic athlete and expect to learn anything, nah man. Everything requires building blocks and iterates upon itself.
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So your gripe should be to remove the pvp requirement, even though they're almost always incredibly easy to complete even if you perform terribly. They shouldn't be changing pvp for players that don't like pvp.
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Exactly, I think. It's not PvP, it's Bungo forcing it up your *ss for gear you can't get any other way. That's what likely breeds the ill will among a lot of the community. They could provide dual-path (note I didn't include Crambit) quests for such things - perhaps via GMNF's, raids (not at the mercy of RNG), Master LS's, whatever. However, they are likely propping up PvP participation with the quests/bounties, and that's probably easier than investing manpower in making useful improvements like better networking, more/better maps, better MM, etc.
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Oh yes and everyone else should just deal that's a great idea. It's working so well isnt it I mean look at the population it's been dropping for 3 seasons now. Should they have added cbmm sure should it have corrupted pvp no. Plenty of players quit when sb was removed because they liked sb. Hey tho as long as the better players are happy who cares about the others.
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Population in the game has been dropping like crazy overall due to a lot of stuff Bungie does. Crucible matchmaking plays little role in that. Hell Crucible as a whole is pretty much abandoned by Bungie, when's the last time we got a new map?
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It's free content buddy there is no reason to work on it st all.
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It's free content man that's why you dony see changes why waste money on a mode that brings in no money. As far as your other posts you call sb easy mode yet players of all skill had to work just as hard for wins as others. Just cause some players didnt sweat doesn't mean anything. I think it was more of a hey I'm good at the game so I should be allowed to face less skilled players. See you chose to sweat your matches you weren't forced, you wanted to win so you went all in play to win. I've heard all the excuse's you guys wanna use and it truly makes me wonder how your considered good players but yet demand to play less skilled players.
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Crucible is what keeps people playing after they finished the majority of the seasonal content. Without it people would just stop playing because you can only do the same PVE content that many times in 3+ months before you're bored of it. PVP content is also the main focus of all the streamers, you know the people that bring most of the publicity to Destiny? So no, it doesn't make sense for them to neglect it just because it's "free" content. I wouldn't have nearly as much of an issue with SBMM if Destiny had dedicated servers as well as a larger player base. The biggest argument against SBMM isn't that my games would be harder to win, it's that connection quality becomes complete trash, and match times take much longer. It ruins the overall experience for anyone that's above average at PVP. So go on and keep singing your song about how you've heard it all, because you're obviously either ignorant or just pinpoint the one thing that you can argue against.
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Dedicated servers wouldnt matter anyway ya would still complain just like all shadowkeep when cbmm was in the game. See it was optional so only higher players went there so nothing changed. Ya didnt want "fun" games you wanted easy games were you could go in stomp bunch of less skilled players and think yourselfs as great players. It wouldnt matter if the pvp population was in the million players a day number, ya still would demand cbmm. Not so you could have "fun" but so you could have easy mode. You could of played your way even under sb but you didnt cause you wanted to win, cbmm is just another sad excuse to try and legitimize you wanting to play less skilled players for easy games.
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That's one hell of a deflection right there. You completely ignored everything I just said so that you can keep singing your song. If you're going to respond, at least respond to what I said rather to what you have an argument against.
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In now way did I deflect I simply put into words what you wanted to be heard. You could of had fun under sb and played anyway you wanted but you didnt not because you couldnt but because it meant you would possibly lose. You like cbmm because your handed less skilled players so you can roll them all you want with no problems. See like I said I've heard all the excuses the fact is you wanted easy games and you get that with cbmm. Like I've also said that's ok cause as we can all see since cbmm was forced pvp has continued to fail so much even bungie doesnt waste time anymore looking at the mode.
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You still completely ignored everything I said, and keep arguing against "fun" and "handed less skilled players". Reading comprehension level 9,000 right there. There's literally no point in responding to you anymore because you ignore anything I say, and just keep arguing your own imaginary argument because you've got absolutely nothing to say about the lack of players causing excessively long queue times and horrendous connection quality in game because it ends up matching you across the world.
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Your gonna match players across the world even with cbmm. Even with dedicated servers you are still gonna match players across the world. Let me drop you some knowledge even games like cod, halo, fortnite, and Apex you match players across the world. Shadowkeep had cbmm but ya still complained not because you didnt have cbmm but because it wasnt forced on players. The fact is you dont care about the playerbase and you know you don't, all you wanted was easy games against less skilled players. So you could supposedly have "fun" when in reality you always could you just chose no too.
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You have absolutely no idea what I care about, or what I did in Shadowkeep. Stop projecting. Stop bouncing back to "easy games" and "fun" over and over and over and over.
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It's not projecting its putting into words what ya wanted. You didnt want "fun" games you wanted easy games. You wanted games were you could trash other players and think it means anything. That's fine pvp will continue to die out and at some point bungie will either fix it or remove it either works for me.
