[quote]The game is an fps, but it is also a space magic ability game. You can complete a match without shooting on any class.[/quote] If that were possible, I'd very much like to witness that. It would take an exceptional player to do it on anything other than a Titan. [quote]With liars handshake, if you get meleed, you can melee back, even without a melee charge, and 1 shot the person. [/quote] I meant getting killed whilst being charged on stacks. You just die. Whereas the ACD/0 will kill that person outright in the same scenario. That isn't the point I'm trying to make about it though. My point is about fairness with throwing knives now being counted as melee kills even though they weren't originally after the one hit kill buff, resulting in the Hunter being killed by an ACD/0 if they have stacks. Even when throwing from range. [quote]Making anteus use up the barricade makes one of the only good bits of the titan kit disappear. That is not the solution. Obviously wormhusk rn isn't on anteus level, but it is still close to being op, since you are at a major disadvantage if you are not using it.[/quote] I can't agree with a suggestion that a class ability based exotic is somehow comparable to one that uses no class ability. It's a ludicrous statement to me. It's saying that (dodge in this case) is unfair when paried with an exotic which is made to improve it, but somehow an exotic which is more powerful (by your own admission) which works in such a way as the Anteus Wards is not fair to consume the class ability to provide the protection it is giving when using it. But however is fair to allow the Titan to keep his barricade, and have (for all intents and purposes) a secondary barricade when sliding. By all accounts, Anteaus Wards provides a mobile Barricade whilst sliding, and grants immunity from damage. So it should therefore consume the Barricade to provide such protection. If that were the case, then Anteus Wards could provide at least 90% damage reduction and still be balanced as the Titan is sacrificing an ability to get the slide barricade, in the same way a Hunter is sacrificing his Dodge to get a small amount of healing granted by the Wormhusk. When both share the same cooldown time, I think neither is at an advantage or disadvantage and is fairly balance towards each other. I think that is what I find so baffling about people's arguments over Hunter's dodge (I'm talking generally here). They compare a class ability to other things which are not class ability based and then say it's OP compared to the thing they're comparing it to. Titan barricades are completely OP when using the Citan's Ramparts for a Hunter to come up against who has an exotic which does not affect class ability, such as the Lucky Pants. Now, I'm not saying that Titan's are OP in this instance, I'm trying to put into context between comparing a class ability changing exotic and one that does not affect the class ability. To apply the argument used against the Wormhusk to this, the Citan's Ramparts should have a longer cooldown and stop the Titan from casting them in gunfights to make it "fairer" because it is not fair that when the Titan is getting shot, he is allowed to cast a wall he can shoot through to almost guarantee winning that encounter when he has respite to reload and recover to win that fight. I'm using this particular exotic as an example because of the nature of how it works. A Titan Barricade can give that respite to recover and reload even when not using any exotics that affect it. However, if a Hunter uses his class ability to recover from a gunfight, it's somehow unbalanced and unfair even though the dodge can still get you killed, but a wall is bullet proof for a short period of time and theoretically stronger. I just can't understand it, and never will. It's an empty argument which carries no weight in my eyes. Additional item for thought. Why does no one want The Sixth Coyote nerfed? That grants two dodge charges so you can shoot, dodge to reload, kill the enemy, then dodge immediately and kill his friend. But somehow this exotic is never brought up in nerfing conversations. It's always the Wormhusk or dodge itself. Just food for thought. [quote]since you are at a major disadvantage if you are not using it.[/quote] I don't use it, and I do fine topping match leaderboards without it. But I, by my own admission, am a skilled player who doesn't need to rely on exotics that, for my needs, really aren't that good and don't live up to the "OP" claims people keep arguing about. If I kill someone in Crucible, it's because I'm a better gunplayer and not because of being reliant on exotics like Wormhusk, St0mp-EE5, Anteus Wards or One Eyed Mask to get an advantage. I don't even use the Hard Light *dun dun dunnnn*. But maybe I'm one of the few players who sees the game from all three sides. I know what it's like to be in every classes shoes as I play all three classes in every area of the game. So I see what is too strong from personal usage and experience with the items, not from being killed by someone who's better than me then just blaming the exotic he was using at the time to justify why I lost. I think this is also a part of the bigger problem of this community. No one is simply outplayed, they have been killed because of -insert exotic- and therefore it needs nerfing. Look at the Truth for example and how Gambit players want it nerfed, even though it is a shockingly bad weapon overall. Not because they didn't take cover, or deal with the Invader quickly enough. It's because of the Truth being OP and it needs nerfing as a result. Anyway. I can't believe an actual non-toxic grown-up discussion has happened on here. Must be a blue moon tonight lol.

I don't have any of my high stat gear equipped on my hunter. I play him only to do bounties atm. I use wormhusk almost every time I play hunter. I can tell you have no actual argument based on that idiotic comment