The last 2 years prove your point exactly, Bungie have gone out of their way to fill this game with useless grinds for unneeded materials. Every season has been worse than the last, with mindless chores for nothing much, + you get less for your effort/reward so that's good? This game used to be so much fun, some where along the way bungie lost sight of that fact. Any thing worth doing well is bloody hard work, as it should be & praised, rewarded in kind.

Be specific. What in the game isn't fun? What changed? Why is season of the undying worse than opulence? How is opulence worse than drifter? And drifter wrose than black armory (although that one is true lol and I can easily expalin why if you cared to know my thoughts). Grind? Yeah man these types of games have a grind. What MMO doesn't have grind elements? Its a great game and you know it, you have 3 characters at 950 or above. You don't go and grind that out if you don't enjoy the game. You want the game to be better? Hey so do I so maybe instead of having bland and generic feedback you could provide some quality feedback like what you don't like, what you do like and why you feel that way.

[quote]Be specific. What in the game isn't fun? What changed? Why is season of the undying worse than opulence? How is opulence worse than drifter? And drifter wrose than black armory (although that one is true lol and I can easily expalin why if you cared to know my thoughts). Grind? Yeah man these types of games have a grind. What MMO doesn't have grind elements? Its a great game and you know it, you have 3 characters at 950 or above. You don't go and grind that out if you don't enjoy the game. You want the game to be better? Hey so do I so maybe instead of having bland and generic feedback you could provide some quality feedback like what you don't like, what you do like and why you feel that way.[/quote] Maybe it's time for you to get your head out of your ass? Just a suggestion, no obligations. Since, you take things literally, I'm sure you'd be cheering if Bungie said each piece of reward from raids will drop pinnacle reward after the 5th completion on each week. You'd be loving it? That's a grind, right?

This is a joke, right? Tell me, what game that has elements where you grow you character does not have a grind? Also what do you mean by "artificial grind?" Where did they cut corners? In an expansion they did what EVERYONE asked for: revamping of the armor system, make ALL armor viable, bring back destinations from D1, a direct line of getting weapons you want (lecturn), etc. You people on here are ridiculous. Does Shadowkeep miss a few marks? For sure, especially in the Strikes department. Would I said they cut corners or made bare minimum recycled content? Absolutely not. I don't code games for a living but I would be willing to be that the undertaking of revamping of their ENTIRE armor system and stats was a massive job. There isn't a single thing in Destiny 2 that is a scam. There is no pay to win. The entire base game and Forsaken is free. You only have to buy seasons you want to play. Any ornaments you've gotten in the past all are available at no charge. What in the world are you even talking about? And I want to know who the heck is the guy who upvoted you so I can ask him the same question.

Oh boy. You’re so dumb and ignorant. There is so much I could say to prove you wrong. Shadowkeep gave everything we wanted? Let me tell you something, kid. Whenever someone asks for D1 content to be brought back, he doesn’t mean he wants to PAY FOR IT AGAIN. It means it back for no additional cost as we have already, again, paid for it. That, in and of itself, is a clear cut scam. Also, there should be new content alongside old content. ‘Everything we want’ is pure fanboy delusion. Who asked to re-pay for D1 enemies? Who asked to re-pay for a D1 planet? Who asked to re-pay for D1 guns (Monte Carlo)? Who asked for weapons with god-awful recoil (Eriana’s Vow)? Who asked for re-skinned paywalled raid armour? No scams? So selling items in a cash shop on top of selling DLCs on top of selling battle passes on top of selling annual passes on top of selling the base game is not an outrageous scam? How about selling 99% of eververse items in overpriced silver, a currency which can never be earned in-game (which is already paid for many times over)? How about implementing scummy tactics like placing prices just above the amount for certain silver packages so you pretty much always have to buy the more expensive packages? Or taking out prismatic facets and severely crippling the bright dust sources, all while pretending it is somehow in our best interest? How about removing seasonal and event engrams so we earn less cosmetics by playing? How about sneakily throttling XP then doubling the amount required to level up after getting caught, all as a sleazy scheme to drive up loot box purchases? How about selling half-assed incomplete games along with recycled, low-effort DLCs while advertising them like the next best thing since sliced bread? Why does a single emote cost 4,250 bright dust? Why do 5 emotes cost the price of an entirely brand new game with 10a of emotes and much more content? Why are they [u]removing PURCHASED content[/u] after every season, including but not limited to your precious shadowkeep? Why have they removed faction rallies and trials for over a year with no plans to be brought back? Why after paying over $500 for basic content/DLCs which are stripped from the base game do we also have to spend thousands of dollars in eververse to get a semblance of our money’s worth? Why is everything they sell always half-assed, broken, recycled, re-skinned and very low-effort? Why are we not refunded our previous purchases if the game is really ‘free’? The whole thing is a con. Wake up, fanboy. I can tell you’re a newf*g, but whether you want to or not, they will soon show you their real colours soon enough. They always do. That’s why they lost over 93% of their player base and no one talks about them anymore.

First off, you have no idea what you're talking about unless you have a different account. You are 752 light, one character. I have already began my pinnacle climb and the only piece of content I haven't done is the new raid with around 800 hours just on PC because of time constraints. So calling me "new" is hilarious. First, there is no way in hell you have spent $500 on this game. That's a lie. Don't lie its not a good look. The original game was $60. Curse and Warmind were each $20 so $40 total. Forsaken was $40, the season pass was $30 and Shadowkeep was $35. And that's it. A grand total of $205 for "basic content" if you didn't buy any silver or the special editions. So you're already way off basis, there is no scam. None. Zero. You're an idiot if you believe that and anyone who reads you saying you've spent $500 on this game is also an idiot if they believe you. Now on to your other points. Eververse: 100% optional. 100%. There is NOTHING in there that does anything besides change how you look. Many of the items are even purchasable by bright dust which IS earnable in game. So far, the only thing I have not seen hit the bright dust market is weapon ornaments. Which is COSMETIC. Do you know what that word means? It has no bearing on game play. So, not a scam. Recycled gear in the season pass: duh. If they went and hid things behind a premium paywall that was really good gear people would be pissed. And rightly so, pay to win should never be a thing. Seasonal events coming and going: Not a big deal. Not sure why that's even a problem. Paying what, $10 bucks to have a good time for 3 months for however many hours you want to put in is a bad deal? Well I hate to break it to you but you probably should never go out to eat or to a movie again because it costs just as much or more and is over in under 3 hours in length. 3 months of content for $10 is not a bad value, you're just cheap. AND you don't even have to buy it! XP BS back in the day: yeah, that was dumb. And now look, they fixed it and its gone. This is no longer an issue. Was it a bad thing? Yeah it was scummy. But did it ACTUALLY effect anything other than cosmetics. Nope! Bright Engrams have always been cosmetic only. So a the end of the day, who really cares? I sure don't because its cosmetic. Price of Eververse: dude simple solution here. DON'T BUY IT. Done. It won't effect your experience in any way, shape or form. Half assed DLC: Be more specific. Which DLC? Forsaken? Awesome expansion. Warmind? A great expansion as well. Curse of Osiris? Certainly a low point for the series I'll give you that. Shadowkeep? Awesome, really liking it. Removal of factions: agreed they should come back but in a totally different state. I despised the old rally system and it caused me to not do activities while the rally was going due to the debuff you got from doing activities Refund since its free: you're obviously still a kid. That's not how the real world works. You agreed to purchase it back then at the price it was being sold at. What they do with pricing afterwards is their business, not yours. Population decline: LOL!!! As of already today there is 156,000 players on Steam ONLY. That is not including Xbox or PlayStation. Just like with the money thing, you're lying. You know you're lying. Stop that, its not a good look. So to recap, you proved NOTHING wrong about my statement. Are you making up lies to try and prove your point? Yes, yes you are. Root your argument in facts and not in emotions or lies and then maybe, just maybe you can put together a good thought. Until then, go away. You don't like the game? Then don't play it. Its literally that simple.

[quote]First off, you have no idea what you're talking about unless you have a different account. You are 752 light, one character. I have already began my pinnacle climb and the only piece of content I haven't done is the new raid with around 800 hours just on PC because of time constraints. So calling me "new" is hilarious. First, there is no way in hell you have spent $500 on this game. That's a lie. Don't lie its not a good look. The original game was $60. Curse and Warmind were each $20 so $40 total. Forsaken was $40, the season pass was $30 and Shadowkeep was $35. And that's it. A grand total of $205 for "basic content" if you didn't buy any silver or the special editions. So you're already way off basis, there is no scam. None. Zero. You're an idiot if you believe that and anyone who reads you saying you've spent $500 on this game is also an idiot if they believe you. Now on to your other points. Eververse: 100% optional. 100%. There is NOTHING in there that does anything besides change how you look. Many of the items are even purchasable by bright dust which IS earnable in game. So far, the only thing I have not seen hit the bright dust market is weapon ornaments. Which is COSMETIC. Do you know what that word means? It has no bearing on game play. So, not a scam. Recycled gear in the season pass: duh. If they went and hid things behind a premium paywall that was really good gear people would be pissed. And rightly so, pay to win should never be a thing. Seasonal events coming and going: Not a big deal. Not sure why that's even a problem. Paying what, $10 bucks to have a good time for 3 months for however many hours you want to put in is a bad deal? Well I hate to break it to you but you probably should never go out to eat or to a movie again because it costs just as much or more and is over in under 3 hours in length. 3 months of content for $10 is not a bad value, you're just cheap. AND you don't even have to buy it! XP BS back in the day: yeah, that was dumb. And now look, they fixed it and its gone. This is no longer an issue. Was it a bad thing? Yeah it was scummy. But did it ACTUALLY effect anything other than cosmetics. Nope! Bright Engrams have always been cosmetic only. So a the end of the day, who really cares? I sure don't because its cosmetic. Price of Eververse: dude simple solution here. DON'T BUY IT. Done. It won't effect your experience in any way, shape or form. Half assed DLC: Be more specific. Which DLC? Forsaken? Awesome expansion. Warmind? A great expansion as well. Curse of Osiris? Certainly a low point for the series I'll give you that. Shadowkeep? Awesome, really liking it. Removal of factions: agreed they should come back but in a totally different state. I despised the old rally system and it caused me to not do activities while the rally was going due to the debuff you got from doing activities Refund since its free: you're obviously still a kid. That's not how the real world works. You agreed to purchase it back then at the price it was being sold at. What they do with pricing afterwards is their business, not yours. Population decline: LOL!!! As of already today there is 156,000 players on Steam ONLY. That is not including Xbox or PlayStation. Just like with the money thing, you're lying. You know you're lying. Stop that, its not a good look. So to recap, you proved NOTHING wrong about my statement. Are you making up lies to try and prove your point? Yes, yes you are. Root your argument in facts and not in emotions or lies and then maybe, just maybe you can put together a good thought. Until then, go away. You don't like the game? Then don't play it. Its literally that simple.[/quote] Wo. You guys went deep.......

I get a little intense sometimes lol

No one asked for armor 2.0 or any of the changes bungie implemented over the last 2 years. The fact they got caught cheating us with our point progression on 2 separate occasions, does not instill trust or all the shady eververse stuff people hated. This stuffs been happening for 5yrs with these guys. What game you been playing? the forums have been complaining about this stuff forever.

[quote]This is a joke, right? Tell me, what game that has elements where you grow you character does not have a grind? Also what do you mean by "artificial grind?" Where did they cut corners? In an expansion they did what EVERYONE asked for: revamping of the armor system, make ALL armor viable, bring back destinations from D1, a direct line of getting weapons you want (lecturn), etc. You people on here are ridiculous. Does Shadowkeep miss a few marks? For sure, especially in the Strikes department. Would I said they cut corners or made bare minimum recycled content? Absolutely not. I don't code games for a living but I would be willing to be that the undertaking of revamping of their ENTIRE armor system and stats was a massive job. There isn't a single thing in Destiny 2 that is a scam. There is no pay to win. The entire base game and Forsaken is free. You only have to buy seasons you want to play. Any ornaments you've gotten in the past all are available at no charge. What in the world are you even talking about? And I want to know who the heck is the guy who upvoted you so I can ask him the same question.[/quote] The truth is somewhere in between your comment and his. There are ways to be fair with a grind and respect a player's time. No duplication protection or smart loot of any kind is disgusting.

The truth really is somewhere in between.... I read that exchange and was like - hey that’s a good point, wooo so was that! I love the new armour looks (and the customization) is way better. I’m pretty sad they didn’t add the weapon mods to other guns. I’m sad to keep running bows to get a ranged weapon with over load on. Scouts got a buff and I wanted to use them for end game stuff and equip the mods. Same with side arms, fusions and pulses. Why can’t we add the barrier and over load rounds to those? It’s very restrictive. In terms of maps , I do feel they need to stop bringing back old maps and removing stuff at the same time . It reminds me of black ops and nuke town.

For sure, always is. I'm certainly not saying Shadowkeep is perfect by any means. I'd love a bunch of different changes but, as a whole, Shadowkeep has been a good expansion. Just for the sake of listing them out because I'm currently bored out of my mind and not that I think anyone will read them lol, here's what I'd like to see. -More crucible maps focusing on longer range engagements -Removal of the over powered artifcat mods (thank goodness those are only for one season) -Return of Trials in some form -Strike specific loot sets (I'm talking full armor sets and some exclusive weapons). I love strikes but there is literally no value in running them past getting the ritual weapon so I never do them -A vendor stock refresh (this includes planetary vendors not just the Tower) -What you said about the mods for end game right now "Scouts got a buff and I wanted to use them for end game stuff and equip the mods. Same with side arms, fusions and pulses." -For the love of all things good nerf OEM. As a Titan main I can say it needs to be nerfed to oblivion