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Modifié par Heresy Hour :
9/5/2019 6:37:57 PM
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Do Streamers represent the community?
So we’ve heard the news on the nerf. A lot of us are 50 50 about it as shown in other polls. As you can easily guess? I don’t agree with it one bit personally having played all 3 classes.
Disclaimer: I wish no misfortune upon Datto, I have watched his content until recently but I have friends who watch his content still. I speak with them and discuss things. He is a streamer and a destiny content creator and this post may as well be free real estate for him. Coding, designing a raid or anything else is a difficult task. I’ll acknowledge that. This community will find ways to break the game once again and this cycle will repeat. I don’t like Datto, but that’s just me. You’re free to your own thoughts. Datto himself speaks for his community as it’s been said repeatedly in the comment section below. Datto merely said something I disagree with, that’s a difference in opinion. Remember, streamers are people and are human.
Personally I don’t even agree with this nerf playing all 3 classes and someone who knows streamers most definitely represent their communities. Within Respect I know we’re very very much conflicted on what we want. we’re people and that’s how it ends up being. By this point I’m mostly curious. I’m genuinely unhappy with it but as I said? Coding and AI are hard to make decent. I’ve already done the song and dance with balance and game breaking things. There’s a lot of room for discussion. I know the streamers mention a lot of things, Bungie listens to them. Try to be somewhat civil because I won’t try to insult him; if I recall Datto admits he wants the game to be harder and he’s on the elite side of the community. I’ll still play the game during Shadowkeep. but I do feel like warlocks and titans are now closer to being useless.
Edit: This post was edited heavily. I expect the poll votes to change heavily. I am slow, not stupid. This post is quite literally a literal hellhole where everyone apparently can speak freely. I like being civil, I’m human after all.
Remember, I speak for myself. I don’t speak for the community so don’t misconceive me as trying to do so.
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Modifié par Shrike22498 : 9/6/2019 10:29:03 AMDepends on the streamer and if you mean represent, or representative. Streamers who do weapon reviews and are not ultra elite players like fallout, cool guy, and aztecross, I would say do represent the community well. Sweaty pve guys like Gladd, and Pvp gods like frostbolt, probably don't so much, but they are still players who love the game. Give streamers a break.
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1 commentaireThey do not represent a whole community, but are a large part of the community, can't deny that. Not exactly all the streamers like Datto, etc, but the archetype of sweat players who run through raids like generic strikes. The hardcore part of the community is huge and the way they play is absolutely different from how the average joe plays Destiny, and thus they're leaving a huge impact on how the game shifts and develops, because if they get ignored, they will leave, just like the average part of the community wants to leave now, because the hardcore ones got more love than averages. They also impact how average joe views certain activities since from their point of view it is a quick one-shot activity that challenges nobody, because these guys found a way how to go through raid in 10 minutes, etc. Also the community both inside and outside the game looks up to these sweat players, because they look like legends to them, so they do influence parts of the community. So.. you see why it is important for bungie to feed the sweat community? Satisfied streamer can bring in more satisfied sheep. And give out some supporting words about the game
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No. Streamers do not represent the community in any capacity whatsoever. The real question is "Does Bungie think streamers represent the community?" Because in the end what Bungie thinks is what will dictate their motives.
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Our of every post I have seen in the forums, your post provide a valid and civil point of view and is opened to others. In short I’m saying I’m glad I see a post dedicated to being open with others even though it can be a hellhole but still it’s always great to be open and talk with each other
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3 commentairesyou would have thought these streamers would have learned their lesson after year 1 blew up in their faces it looks like they want to learn it again I guess time has made them forget.
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Modifié par Mr. Morale : 9/6/2019 4:31:41 AMI’m pretty sure the auto reload nerf was a Bungie decision. If they hadn’t removed it, they would have to constantly balance weapons with instant reload in mind, a constant battle with the community isn’t the best. It makes everything feel op, but the weapons weren’t designed with that in mind, a lot of these weapons dps numbers come from destiny 1, and just traditional fps. Remove reload and a weapon becomes nasty, that’s why we want weapons with bigger mags, you don’t have to reload soon.
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streamers are the poison of this era,and the worse is,that big franchise like bungie,think that every one is like them,that is why I stop watching them
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15 commentairesI agree with the auto reloading nerf; someone with auto reloading buffs was a minimum requirement in boss dps which lead to forcing players to do specific builds to do an activity. You're a titan? gotta have rally and that solar tree with the debuff, warlock? well and empowering maybe chaos reach or nova bomb, hunter either celestial nighthawk or tether. With debuff and buffing not stacking this also means that dps will no longer focus so heavily on stacking buffs and hopefully team coordination like in D1 however since Bungie is doing these changes they have to fix older encounters (which will probably be reducing their hp or longer dps phases) and new encounters need to be made for more diverse load outs to make it more skill based instead of gear based which is easier said than done but the reason auto reloading go out of hand was out of making some annoying encounters tolerable or stupid easy. Calus at first sucked so using auto reload to kill as many skulls as possible to 1 phase (or some skulls and auto reload to dps or both) made it faster to kill him to then prepare another run it became way more efficient and so it became the requirement. Why use the other barricade if it blocks your shots? Why use quiver if you can just shoot 6 rockets in 3 seconds and use a sniper for the rest? Why use dawnblade when you have a well that makes those exploding swords look like pee shooters just by using any grenade launcher. Auto reload was the reason Warlocks and Titans have so little to give as people say and with it gone may make way for them to be more than buff/debuff or get out. It all depends on how Bungie designs the encounters going forward.
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Of course they don't..... Streamers just care about themselves and their income.
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14 commentairesGet off your high horse, I get you don’t like him witch is totally up to you, but don’t ignore the reason of WHY they nerfed it. Bungie always caters towards the blueberries witch what made D2Y1, and they’ll continue to do so, you just don’t realize your harming yourself and others, by looking to one narrow angel. While we’re at it the difficulty topic Bungie does difficulty in this game by “overwhelming” till you can’t breath, while it felt like a strategic “plan” to gun fight in D1.
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1 commentaireI don't follow. What was nerfed?
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Mtashed even said that bungie spoke to content creators about possibly pushing shadowkeep back before they made it public...
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2 commentairesDattokeep.
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2 commentairesModifié par Ofaolain84 : 9/6/2019 2:50:00 AMStreamers="Yo...I love all the nerfs. The Game needed a nerf. I mean, why does anyone need to set up 3 DMG buffs in perfect synchronization along with a debuff, and use a specific combination of only 2 weapons and maybe get a consistent one phase... that's way too easy. Every boss should be at least 7 phases. Think Mindbemder strike, Exodus Trash strike, Nokris, and Xol all rolled into 1 encounter...so many dmg capped phases you will need to plan raids for weeks and might make it through an encounter per day. Oh, and to make it really interesting, they need to have you do all the same mechanics 8-10 times to clear an encounter just to make sure you actually know them. Otherwise how would raids last longer than nightfalls? Bungie got it all right. Next Season you even get silver by sacrificing your 3rd born child...sorry Timmy...daddy gotta get the new shader and emote." To access collections you must supply one drop of blood to the controller or mouse as tribute. To get the best ornaments which all increase barrel length, reduce weapon overall on screen profile, and enhance ADS and target acquisition speed, you will need to sign a binding agreement selling your soul to bungie devs. Because the wants and needs of the few outweigh the wants amd needs of the many.
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8 commentairesI can understand that not everyone is a hardcore player, but saying streamers like Datto do not represent the community because they want Well and Rally Barricade re-balanced is being completely misinformed. The ability to completely bypass the reload mechanic is stupid broken and turns the most challenging content in the game into trivial content, there is no challenge. I hope I can speak for the true Destiny community by saying that we don't want everything to be very easy, if that doesn't resonate with you, maybe you should either a) not do endgame content or b) find another game. I'm seeing comments along the lines of "I can only get on to play one day a week and have to lfg a raid group, this nerf prevents me from doing these raids". If we are going to cater the difficulty of the game to people like this, Destiny is dead. Change my Mind
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They are not the community. They are a part of the community though and as such can give feedback. Its up to Bungie to use that feedback. The nerfs will change things up and we are going to have to adjust. Do we want to stay in this meta of well/grenade launchers? I personally welcome a new meta. Maybe it will give me a reason to bring out whisper.
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9 commentairesNo they shouldn't but hey they got the well nerf and bubble buff they always wanted Datto should be happy, titans will meta in pvp and pve, RIP lock mains they now have nothing to bring to the table all a raid needs is hunters and titans.
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Yes and no. Should they be noticed for there following? Yes. You watch them because you want info.
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5 commentairesI think the better question to ask is whether or not the forums represent the community? I’ve met very few people in game that express opinions similar to opinions people express on these forums. In addition, most destiny players seem to actively avoid these forums due to how much of a shitshow it often is here. Imo, forums are a loud, vocal minority. There may be plenty of people who agree with what is said on forums, but considering how many people subscribe to D2 streamers, I would say there’s at the very least an equal portion of players who agree with what they say. Forums don’t represent the community, nor do streamers. They’re both parts of a whole, and neither should act like they represent all players, because they don’t.
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I think a better poll would be does the forums represent the community? Datto represents a part of the community as do other streamers and youtubers. Same can be said of the forums that they only represent part of the community. Hell, most of my clan is fine with the nerf to rally barricade/lunafaction boots. They made raids ridiculously easy. I don't want Destiny 2 to be hard like a Darksouls game but I do think it could stand to be harder than it currently is. It's much better than nerfing a bunch of weapons at the very least in my opinion.
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5 commentairesNot sure what you're on about with Warlocks and Titans moving toward being useless. Neither one is currently, though I will say I understand why teams think Titans are lacking in PvE. But remember a time where we didn't have Well of Radiance? Remember when we had to clear adds during encounters instead of standing in a Well? Take that away and they are much much better in team activities. They defiantly bring things to the table with their subclasses. Just have to look beyond what your fav youtuber, streamer, or forum goer told you is the best team make up or load out. The information is right in front of you in the game. Try one of the triumph runs for the raids of all arc or void. Some of the funnest runs you can have and you can absolutely complete things that way. Yes it's not meta but is very very doable. Simple, add clear while doing a mechanic, dps, repeat till dead. Though you're going to have to legit riven on Last Wish so this doesn't apply to 95% of the community lol. My clan did an all titan last wish as well. Worked fine.
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I they don’t nor do they try to. They represent their viewers and fans though but not the entirety of the community. That being said their feedback should be considered.
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1 commentaireModifié par Caggus : 9/5/2019 10:43:25 PMNope. When bungie changes things in the game to cater to the streamers all they’re doing is pissing more people off. The streamers make a living playing this game, they are obviously elite players and have waves upon waves of good players to play with at any given time. This game will never be a challenge for them no matter how much Bungie increases the difficulty. All it does is just inconvenience the majority of the player base. People like Datto do not speak for the community. Like so many others have said, he’s the best of the best at the game and represents the smallest minority in the entire game. He wields influence and uses it to make the game harder for him to which he will eventually make it easier and then complain it’s too easy again, crushing the community under increasing difficulty. See my point? The guys an idiot.
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honesty i hate like 70% of the streamers who play destiny 2
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Hell No!! They are the reason We Han a train wreck D2(year1).
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Modifié par DeathPony07 : 9/5/2019 11:13:29 PMHe's the elitist 1%. The worst part of the Destiny community. Bungie panders to them. That's why the game is an endless grind. Armor 2.0 is going to be an even worse grind. Here's an idea, Datto. Don't use Well or Lunafactions. Problem solved. Don't ruin the game for the rest of us because of your e-ego. 99% of us don't play Destiny 24/7. This is why you've lost 13 million players, Bungie.
