Fixed weapon rolls required a massive loot pool in order to work, and we just don't have that. Once you get a few decent guns I feel like there is just nothing to really want or strive towards. I have only been playing for a week or so, and after getting the Better Devils (which I love btw) from a crucible drop, I just feel [i]done[/i]. i feel like a big part of the problem is how legendaries are so easy and quick to get. The removed the grind so that casuals don't feel frustrated, but for me that grind was part of the magic formula that made me playing Destiny 1 for almost 3 years straight.

I miss running strikes hoping for a legendary engram at the end. Now u get one and u don’t care because it’s just be 3 of ur 1500 shards.... seriously disappointed wit the game. I miss D1 like crazy. Don’t fix what’s not broke.

After wading through most of these comments I see a real disconnect in what people think a grind is and what people want and think. Obviously you could play many hours of many days and still get new shit like shaders, ships, etc. so yes there is stuff to be had by playing. But the reason for grinding and the reason people went back to the same activities in D1 was because there was always a possibility of an improvement of some kind. The very purpose of grinding is to yield a reward or an improvement and it's just not there in D2. D2 says ok here is all the cool toys, early on, now go do the content over and over with the same shit. D1 said ok here is SOME of the cool toys, the BEST toys are difficult to earn, and after that you can find BETTER VERSIONS of all of these toys (perk rolls) by doing the content. That's having a reward for grinding content.

One word Omnigul Why on earth was she the ultra killed most by guardians? She dropped one of the best weapons in the game and with the right roll could shred in the crucible. Counterbalance, braced frame, feeding frenzy with the beautiful oas or oes sights is why I popped my nighthawk on her 100s of times. When she was the nightfall when we had strike specific loot I don't think there was a twitch stream that wasn't broadcasting that boring grind. My gf and I spent 12 hour sessions grinding her for that infamous grasp. But you see... in the end it wasn't boring. You had that chance when you saw a purple on the ground. This could be it!!! D2 has none of that. What about finally getting that thorn bounty. Or seeing gjorn on your screen after a nightfall. People would literally scream. If you got your 3rd you would hear your teammate rage or "so and so has left the fire team" Rip d1 had a gjorn on each character. Did thorn on a hunter with pradyths revenge and truth only. But of course they nerfed everything I mentioned in the end. Bungie just keeps destroying their once beautiful game. Not a perfect game but it used to be a great game. I never got a perfect Luna. I may try and do that and and mess around with the jade rabbit since I was on Xbox. That sounds a hell of a lot better than d2 is right now. Let's hope dlc saves this game.

Even the only current grind, power level, is a joke. Being 265 or 305 literally doesn't make any difference unless you are playing Nightfall or Raid. Even after that I'd argue it's hardly a difference from 285-305; where it REALLY starts to grind. It's there just to be a higher number to gate content and nothing more I feel like. The game really needs some more unique legendaries that are hard to drop from strikes, patrol, pvp, and etc. To avoid the RNG complaints, let them be purchasable at the corresponding vendors at a very steep cost of tokens or glimmer (or both tbh). For example, let there be a special vex sniper that drops off the boss rarely in the strike with the giant hobgoblin. However you can buy the same gun at a lower power level for 700 tokens and 10k glimmer from Zavala. Something to that effect.

D1- over 145 days, game only 87% complete. D2- around 15 days, game 100% complete. Catering to casuals is an understatement, imo.

Step 1 get friends that play trials. Profit. Now you have friends that play every weekend.

So many good points here. I didn't even turn on D2 tonight. That was unheard of in D1. I would squeeze in a few hours any chance I could. In D2 I can't muster up the excitement to grind Public Events or play an underwhelming Crucible. And now we hear Iron Banner is dumbed down for the casual, lower power players. Sigh...

You know, this is an interesting and timely topic for myself. I was just thinking about how it feels like there isn't as much to do. I remember when Destiny first came out, the excitement, the grind, the difficulty, the frustrations, all of it. And here I am, what, almost a month in and I've kind of felt a little bored really since week 2. So I starting thinking about it. I think it took me about 3 months in D1 to reach level 30 and get a full raid set. And I played, and still do, for hours a day. I remember strikes being difficult. The Nightfall was much more difficult. The Vault of Glass was much more difficult. Of course reaching level 30 was harder due to frustrating RNG, but still, I masacistically enjoy grinding. I miss that. Then I thought, well, maybe it's easier because it's old hat. It's not new. I'm used to the formula. So are a lot of others. Maybe that's why it doesn't seem as exciting. Maybe that's why it seems easier. I can't fault Bungie for that. They can't cater to me. But then I starting thinking, maybe Bungie is making (in my opinion) the same mistake Blizzard made with World of Warcraft. They made it easier to appeal to the masses; those that can't spend 3 hours a day or more playing the game. I can understand that. But then I remember that feeling I got, when first playing WoW. I remember seeing level 60s in Stormwind. I remember seeing the purple gear, the raid gear, and thinking, one day; one day I'll get that if I give it enough effort and time. The same holds true for D1. Seeing the level 30's knowing how much time I'd put in and only being level 28, or 29. Seeing the blue Nightfall flame. Whoa! I used to get so many random in-game invites from players when walking around the Tower as a level 30. That sense of accomplishment. It's just not there. Sure, it's pure epeen in some regard. But it was also something to strive for. Something into which I could take some satisfaction. I did it! I am level 30 with a full raid set! Not just anyone can do that! Check out my epeen! Looks pretty sweet, eh? But what's wrong with that? In the real world I'm just some guy with a job he's not particularly fond of, with problems like everyone has. But in Destiny, I'm a -blam!-ing bad ass level 30 Titan! I do see some things in D2 which I really don't like. I think exotics should be hard to get. Rare. I think the raid armor should actually have kick-ass perks that matter. Raid gear should be coveted. I think they should have glowy things on them. I think the raid should be harder but not because of weird, unforgiving puzzle mechanics. I like bullet sponges. Make me grind it! Nightfall should be harder through damage taken and more enemies, not some artificial timer. Although I'll take that over how easy they were in the last year or two of D1. Anyway, I do feel like most of the challenge is lacking in D2. Whether or not it's because the game is easier or because I'm a better player now. Maybe both. The point is, for a hardcore player (which I consider myself to be), it's just not in the game. Maybe it's time to move on. Maybe it's not. I imagine I'll continue playing for a while longer. At least until some other game does to Destiny what Destiny did to WoW for me. I don't know if I'm right or if I'm wrong. All I know is how I feel. I'm not excited. I still enjoy playing, but I'm not as excited. Neither is my clan. We used to run raids 3 times a week, staying up late. To be fair, this attitude started with Wrath of the Machine. Yesterday, it was like 8:30 and they were all like, "nah, it's too late." Translation: the raid is boring and not worth the effort. Whoever created this raid should not be allowed to make future raids. Total failure.

Looking for a active clan

My Clan roster went from 4-5 pages to 7-10 players playing the game. Everyone has got and completed everything. They really killed the game's replayability and longevity by over simplifying it for a "casual player."

I stopped at "3500 shards". You need to take a break every once in a while.

I have been summoned.

Handing out exotics left and right stupid idea

Why, for the love of god, would anyone [i]want[/i] grind? It is literally there to give you tedious meaningless tasks just to keep your hours logged into the game not achieving anything.