People act like they 'took away the nightfall and heroic' for this new business practice. No. They didn't. Nightfall and Heroics are [b]ENDGAME[/b] content. They were endgame in vanilla. They were endgame in TDB They were endgame in HoW They are endgame now, in TTK. They will always be endgame, and will always require the latest expansion to play. Your Vanilla/TDB/HoW strikes were featured in the Nightfall every week. Now that TTK they have raised it to [b]ENDGAME[/b] level, and you are now required to be up to date with everyone else. Why the hell would I do a lv34 Nightfall as a lv40? That would be ridiculously easy. And what? They create a another playlist for people who haven't purchased TTK? So that they can play endgame content, with their non existent endgame DLC purchase? People without TTK still have their endgame content- VoG if you didn't purchase any expansions. CE if you purchased TDB PoE if you purchased HoW Nightfall and Heroic will always be up there with the latest top tier of difficulty. We dumped the 100+ dollars into this game for the fun/experience. If you don't want to continue with the future experiences then stop. If you want to be kept up, and continue with the fun/experience, it's 40$. Which is incredibly cheap. In fact, TTK seems more rich with content than vanilla Destiny. ..you kinda sound like a whiny little kid. :/

[quote]Read the title. If you need me I'll be playing the Master Chief Collection or going camping. EDIT: thanks to those of you who are being civil. Also, I bought The Dark Below and House of Wolves. My problem is that because I bought the original game, I should be able to access all that content that I paid for. I'm not asking to have access to everything the Taken King offers, just the things that have been available since the beginning. EDIT: RIP phone battery EDIT: While I appreciate the gesture, please don't bump posts. Phone battery is low enough already EDIT: So THIS is what it feels like to have started a flame war. Kilgore would be proud (bonus points to those of you who get the reference) EDIT: Assumptions make an ASS out of U and ME Also I know what subscription means, and I stand by my statement. I've explained my position in the comments. Also it seems a lot of you don't understand reverse psychology... EDIT: Please try and at least act civil, insulting me isn't gonna make your point any more persuasive. EDIT: mandoshadow put it best:[quote]This is the equivalent of going to a grocery store to buy a six pack and being told that I can buy the cardboard wait a few months buy the first beer, wait a few more months and buy the next beer then a year after my initial purchase get the rest of my beer but all the new customers get the whole six pack at once and pay less than what I did. I love this game. I really do. The gameplay is fun, interacting with friends is cool, the weapons and armor are very stylized and fun to look at and play around with. I want this game to be amazing. But bungie shouldn't get to extort money from me to play this game. They're not holding my free time hostage I'm electing to give it to them. Therefore, I get the right to complain. To complain about this dlc being practically the price of a new game isn't being self entitled. It's being frustrated as a consumer. I paid for this product already. I paid 60 dollars for a half completed game and an extra 40 to get the dlc. Now they finally release the other half of the game they should've finished a year ago and want to tack on an extra 40 dollars while new players are paying something like 50 bucks less than what I've invested in. What was the point of me buying this game a year ago then? Why am I buying any game when it comes out? I should just wait a year when games are actually completed and 40 dollars cheaper. Bungie is taking advantage of its fans and punishing the people who basically beta tested this game for a year. So I say everyone should complain about this ridiculous price gouging that they're doing. Not everyone has over $100 to invest into a game to get the full experience. Frankly you bought the game already, you are actually entitled to enjoy the full experience of the product you purchased. Bungie has just been blocking the full game from you and telling you to pay more for the rest of this game to be unlocked. It's wrong and none of us should have to take that as consumers or gamers. [/quote][/quote] I agree and will go further. I did buy the TTK. My son installed it and started playing it. When I got a turn at it, it said I had to buy it again. Friggin ripoff bungie. Do I really want to buy it again? Effing NO. It should be by console not account.

Nah I get you. Them taking the nightfall and weeklies is pretty bad business. I get that it's to "motivate" people to tag along but that's literally something that's been in it since the beginning. Not to mention getting rid of the old currency so y'all can't buy anything, not like you could use it anyway since all the vendor gear has been switched. I bought TTK and I still say its bullshit.

Its quite simple. The max level increased. Higher difficulty levels for TTK. You can't really expect to continue Destiny at the low level you have. Nightfall, Strikes, Dailies all has been end game content for current end game levels. You don't buy TTK, then you're not involved with the end game

At least this game works. I like halo more than destiny, but at least destiny works.

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ok i have read so much of this argument going on and i have a few things to say. one: its not an MMO and the type of subscription you get is more like a magazine you don't really lose anything but what you do have isn't worth going back to and is constantly being lost piece by piece (raising the difficulty to make it more interesting because you can't do that anymore without it). two: why do you people defend this behavior in order to make a receive a better product you have to show that you won't stand for the poor quality of their product. its bs the strategy is they shit on you until you call them out on it (like almost everyone did after finding the first two dlcs were already in the game they had paid for) and then put out something decent to discredit you. why would that make it better they still got you. i enjoy destiny but the replayability is almost zero because at the moment i don't have the money to buy it right now. sure you could go through another class but its never as exciting as when you were fresh to the world around you.

I really really hate dumb people. Go camping.

You can't really blame them. Bungie stated when they announced destiny that they had a 10 year plan for the game. It's not a first-person shooter, it's an MMO. World of Warcraft sells it's expansion for $50 dollars each. Going back to the 10 year plan, destiny said that there would be small expansions and big expansions. Crota's end and House of Wolves were smaller expansions, so they cost less. TTK on the other hand is the first big expansion they are releasing, so yeah, the price is gonna jump up. Ad for the legendary edition I'm a little irked myself, but Blizzard did the same thing with the Warcraft 3 Battle Chest. Was it $60? No, it was $80 but it was way cheaper than buying the base game and the expansions seperatly. All in all, it's marketing to attract new players. "Here, have the game and be able to do what everyone who's already had the game can do, but for a cheeper price" who wouldn't take that deal?

Exactly. Exactly what most of us are arguing.

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You aren't missing a damn thing when you don't buy ttk

Or how about its the same model that Activision already uses with putting out early games like they do with COD

It is the new world of episodic content. Right, wrong, or indifferent, this pattern was established with TDB, continued with HoW, and has not changed for TTK. Chances are, this is also how Destiny 2's DLC and Expansion will work, as well. At this point in time, this should not be surprising. Bungie/Activision gave everyone a taste by giving non-advancing players some of the things that are no longer automatic - such as level caps. After a year, if people are still playing and not wanting to go along on this journey, they have made the business decision that they are done trying to entice them to follow by that approach. Subscription or not, it is just semantics. If you want to progress with the game, then you will have to ante up for the new content. Really is as simple as that. They have played their hand, and it is up to the consumer to make the decision if this is the right franchise to participate in. Business model aside, Bungie absolutely should be featuring new content in the non-story playmodes. Those who actually have decided to follow along on this journey deserve to be rewarded. Nothing to do with punishing anyone, at that point, unless rewarding loyalty leaves you on the opposite side of the paywall.

Ugh... there is nothing about this game that is subscription based. Go away. Stop playing Destiny if you are going to complain.

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

I don't understand how you are getting locked out of content? All the content that you paid for you can still play? (Raids, POE, year one strikes, they even added THREE DIFFERENT year one crucible playlists.) I understand how people FEEL that way, but this is the FIRST week of ttk. Of course the nightfall is going to FEATURE the new content. I do understand that it's a bit unfair that you can't get to the level cap, and therefore do the nightfall. (On the off, yet good, chance a future nightfall is a year one strike) That does seems a little bit unnecessary. But it'd be unfair to the 85% of the player population that bought TTK to force them to continue playing year one content right after the new content drops just to please the few and far in between. . . These people spent money on the game that you didn't. Of course the new night falls and heroic strikes are going to FEATURE new content. You can still collect ALL of the year one weapons and armor through all the old means. Regardless of what people think of bungievision and their game it's still a business. A business who's purpose is to make money for their shareholders... If you truly feel left out hit me up on xbox one. I'm always down to run old content.