[quote]So in all seriousness. Screw you bungie. You have nerfed my favorite weapon class and my favorite weapon 4 times now. These of course being auto rifles and suros regime. Yet for some odd reason you completely leave thorn and TLW alone...... I have no clue why either...... Thorn and TLW are by far the stupidest most anger inducing game quitting weapons I have ever encountered. They are cheap and require absolutely ZERO skill to use. Why the heck would you even want weapons like this in your game?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? You claim that you got rid of the loot cave because it was not bungies vision of how we should play your game. So what then do you envision for your multiplayer experience??? Players can do the same damn thing as the loot cave. Crouch and wait for someone to appear, when they do they don't even have to aim. They just sit there and spam the right trigger as fast as their worthless cowardly finger can do so....and viola!!!!! A kill in crucible. Is that what you want bungie? What if we all equipped our TLW crouched and trigger spammed???? These two guns are seriously making me want to get rid of your game. They are the equivalent to the noob tube in the cod series. Zero skill to operate.The most cowardly tactics will help you succeed. Last but probably most important.....everyone freaking hates it!!!!! I realize this is a very scattered paragraph and not well written. I have been writing in between crucible matches. I seriously hate how you picked on one group of weapons and super buffed another but didn't address the most game cheap weapons your game has to offer. It really feels like a -blam!- you. It feels like one of you queers at bungie love your hand cannons and secretly keep them OP AS -blam!-!!!!!!!!! I seriously hate your online MP. Screw you assholes. -blam!- your stupid ass weapon Nerf/buff ideas. They -blam!-ing suck[/quote] I love how you all think that because I'm complaining and voicing a personal opinion that I get -blam!- by it or don't know how to deal with it. This is my opinion. The guns are cheap and allow people with low skill to get kills.

Says the suros user. Literally was the most broken weapon in pvp.

They are not cheap, I use them regularly and get outgunned/outplayed by MIDA, Suros, Bad Juju and Red Death ALL the time. Hand Cannons are good, yes, but they actually require you to aim for the head to do any real damage. TLW needs you to be very close to get quick kills too. Also I don't mean to be that guy who always checks your stats, but you have 16650 kills and only 27 of them are with Hand Cannons. Maybe try them yourself a bit more before making a judgement.

HAWKMOON IS STRONGER THAN BOTH, WHERE IS THE RAGE?

I have both. Look how wonderful my kd is....every gun takes skills. Maybe u need better dodging skills

You can almost smell the butt hurt..

I stopped reading when the Suros user claimed hand cannon require no skill. Autos are for lazy unskilled kids. You're using the most stable gun in the game that only requires you to point in someone's general direction and hold the trigger down. Not to mention autos are supposed to be the lowest range of all primary types but you can snipe with Suros. You're a hypocrite and more than likely an idiot. Don't call others skilless when you use the most skilless gun in the entire game.

Remember, never try to speak for everyone. Not everybody has the same opinion as you do. I agree with some of what you said, but have you ever used Thorn or TLW? No, you haven't. If you had you would know that they are not god guns. They reward a skilled hand that is all. I don't have TLW but I can tell you that I'm not very good with Thorn. I have fun using it but often loose gun fights.

The scrub mentality is to be so shackled by self-imposed handicaps as to never have any hope of being truly good at a game. Scrubs are likely to label a wide variety of moves and tactics as "cheap." Complaining that you don't want to do X in a game because "it doesn't take skill" is a common scrub complaint. The concept of "skill" is yet another excuse to add fictional rules and avoid making the best moves. Scrubs often talk about how they have skill whereas other players—very much including the ones who beat them flat out—do not have skill. This might be some sort of ego defense mechanism where people define "skill" as whatever subset of the game they're good at and then elevate that above actually trying to win. You are the definition of a scrub. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win

Theres no denying thorn is op but tlw? really? its complete garbage imo.

Idk if ppl notice but red death kills faster then thorn right now two trigger pulls and dead if u hit crits. 108 damage each shot 36 a burst