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4/16/2021 8:56:49 PM
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SBMM benefits only 1 group of players.........while isolating the others.
It's like the reverse of freelance to a degree though I guess..........it encourages stacking instead of preventing it. Why I hear you ask? SBMM doesn't match you with people of equal skill.
It does it like this -
You and your equal on opposing sides with potatoes filling in the gaps. It's not entire teams of the same skill. The system doesn't do what it states. So therefore stacking is all you have left to fall back on.
The more you encourage assisting solos or low skill players........the more you indirectly push stacks to happen.
But Freelance combats this by saying "We don't allow stacks and extend queue times for people who want to tag along with friends".
Both are flawed af and are a complete waste of time.
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Modifié par More Power : 4/16/2021 10:29:15 PM[quote]SBMM benefits only 1 group of players.........while isolating the others.[/quote] Take every [u][b]6v6[/b][/u] PvP game except one and make it whatever matchmaking you want... That's a bunch. Bungie should make just [b][u]ONE[/u][/b] game a 6v6 SBMM. Just one single game. Then we'll let the players decide which is best. If the SB is awful, it'll be crickets all the time, and you could point to it and say "I told you so". Who is isolating whom? I played a fair bit of PvP in D1, even some Trials, ending 3 years with an account wide total of 60,000 kills and a 1.1-1.2 k/d. I won't play the current CBMM or whatever they call it now. It's intolerable.
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The current mess is there's no minimum requirement for a connection for a start. The C is critically missing from CBMM right now. No doubt at all there. As for who's isolating who. I seriously try to avoid getting into it but on this case it's pretty simple. Human Mental conditions and mental stability are what seperates people honestly. PvP is unfortunately never going to be fair. Never has been. You bring to the table on the first day a very small skill set with you. Which as time goes on you can learn to be better with. You don't get better by "having fun" you get better by making like a titan and beating your head through the wall until you find a way of playing that works for you. People screaming for SBMM to come back are the same who complained about IB.......Freelance dropped and we still had mercy rule complaints. I didn't even bother with I told you so. I simply waited for Bungie to on this moment.......give people what they wanted and they still looked for an excuse. As I've told you and others. I will accept SBMM when it's not arbitrary and punishing you for being good at something. If you can get me a SBMM system that does exactly what it states. Equal skill and not close. I'll happily shut my mouth. Until then. I'm against it.
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[quote]The current mess is there's no minimum requirement for a connection for a start. The C is critically missing from CBMM right now. No doubt at all there. As for who's isolating who. I seriously try to avoid getting into it but on this case it's pretty simple. Human Mental conditions and mental stability are what seperates people honestly. PvP is unfortunately never going to be fair. Never has been. You bring to the table on the first day a very small skill set with you. Which as time goes on you can learn to be better with. You don't get better by "having fun" you get better by making like a titan and beating your head through the wall until you find a way of playing that works for you. People screaming for SBMM to come back are the same who complained about IB.......Freelance dropped and we still had mercy rule complaints. I didn't even bother with I told you so. I simply waited for Bungie to on this moment.......give people what they wanted and they still looked for an excuse. As I've told you and others. I will accept SBMM when it's not arbitrary and punishing you for being good at something. If you can get me a SBMM system that does exactly what it states. Equal skill and not close. I'll happily shut my mouth. Until then. I'm against it.[/quote] Couple points of perspective from humble me. 1. This is a video game (key word-game). The entire point is to have fun. Yes I understand “fun” is subjective, however constantly getting pub stomped or even pub stomping is not fun. I’ve had plenty of games both ways. 2. In any “sport” there are tiers and brackets. For a reason. No one in their right mind would put a high school team against a pro or even college team. Why in the hell would it be ok here???
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Any argument that says playing against your skill level is bs, casual means casual where it’s supposed to be fun for all. Your statement about sbmm hurting top layers is bs. They just will not have as high a kd. Let’s be honest and real, that is what it’s all about. So you say lesser should play against better to improve. Then the opposite is true as well. If your that good, why are you playing against a player with. .7 kd when you are a 2.0. Are you improving? No, your simply stomping and that hursts the game. A ranking system would help a lot. I would rather wait for a good match than start one in 30 seconds just to mercy. Which the majority of games are.
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Modifié par Althanash : 4/17/2021 1:29:56 PMI've played against the good the bad the ugly. Got stomped / had close games / been the stomper. Yep a ranking system would help..........not a SBMM one tho. Edit: You've also got to realise the path of least resistance mindset. People don't have hours on end to spend in the game as a whole. They want to get in. Complete the activity as fast as they can and move on. Hence my wording about human mentality. The faster and easier it is the more coveted it will be.
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I appreciate your level-headedness, but we will continue to disagree. I suspect you think everyone is a lot like you... began as a beginner, then grew your skill over time, till you can do quite well in mixed bag matchmaking, like CBMM. I'm sure there is a percentage of players like that... However, there are also the forever average or below players, the forever casual players, the physically challenged, the health challenged, the young and of course the old. And some simply want to have fun without facing a drumming every single game. They don't fit your cookie cutter mold of... say you...
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I simply came to the realization that unfortunately some people don't fit the PvP cloth, but PvP isn't meant to be a fair place. If it helps put some perspective on me as a PvPer I've only ever been flawless once in trials and even then I feel was a stroke of luck. I'm not expecting everyone to be the same as me. But going into PvP expecting to have fun is....it's going to hurt when you do get stomped. I've been there. My only advice I would give to anyone new is to approach it carefree. I say this because there's dangerous mindsets you can fall into if you let it get to you. It's still just a game at the end of the day. Passion for the game is awesome but don't let that passion or the game itself get in your head. I think what we can all agree on is PvP needs a serious overhaul, a matchmaking system that benefits everyone and a ranked system that fits to us all.
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Well said 👍
