Another participation award thread.

Oxygen SR4 should’ve been a pulse rifle. Just saying.

Meh. I have a Range MW Fullauto Rangefinder Anonymous Autumn I like to use and can still regularly get 25-30 kills so... I wouldn’t mind a sidearm.

Petrol TR1 - Solar TR - T0: Adaptive Frame - T1: Chambered Compensator - T2: Tactical Mag - T3: Radiation Matrix - Landing Rapid Precision hits (10) with this weapon sunders enemy armor for a short time, allowing you and your allies to deal increased damage. Killing sundered enemies causes them to explode. - T4: Field Prep Stats: - Impact: 6 - Range: 54 - Stability: 77 - Handling: 38 - Reload: 44 - Aim Assist: 100 - Recoil Direction: 75 - RPM: 1000 - Mag Size: 60 - Reserves: 540 Nimbus RL11 - Arc RL - T0: Aggressive Frame - T1: Hard Launch - T2: Impact Casing - T3: Static Generator - This weapon’s rockets release lightning strikes on impact. The longer the Rocket travels, the more lightning bolts it spawns. (1 bolt to 20m, 1 storm grenade up to 40m, Increases from there by adding 1 storm grenade every 25m. Max of 240m. - T4: Ambitious Assassin Stats: - Blast Radius: 22 - Velocity: 81 - Stability: 52 - Handling: 24 - Reload: 67 - Aim Assist: 36 - Recoil Direction: 50 - RPM: 25 - Mag Size: 1 - Reserves: 7 Steel Jaw - Kinetic FR - T0: Precision Frame - T1: Chambered Compensator - T2: Armor Piercing Rounds - T3: Feeding Frenzy - T4: Overbite - This weapon’s Boots can deal precision Damage. Stats: - Impact: 74 (Slightly reduced for balance purposes...) - Range: 67 - Stability: 66 - Handling: 32 - Reload: 39 - Aim Assist: 65 - Charge Time: 700 - Mag Size: 4

[quote]Could the next Vanguard or Gambit Pinnacle weapon be something to rival Recluse? Give the Competitive guys a sidearm because if they’re so good and all that then they can use absolutely anything. (Please make that sidearm trash) It’s just we could seriously use good PvE weapons that isn’t Recluse. A Vanguard Auto rifle that deals high DPS like no other Auto with a high rate of fire and perks that speed up its reload and damage and rate of fire. (To rival Recluse as it’s literally used in everything from PvP to PvE it’s a must have) A gambit Pinnacle Weapon like a hand cannon (besides malfeasance) that is equally as powerful as Lunas or Not Forgotten. Because Gambit is a PvEvP experience it’d be nice to have 21% get a buff for PvE and if we could get the Gambit PvP weapon to compliment our Gambit players. Or maybe a Gambit SMG that can rival Recluse. We could run the the Vanguard Autorifle in the Special slot and it’d have kinetic ammo. And the Gambit SMG or Handcannon in the Kinetic slot with kinetic ammo. Make the quest to get them something like 50 Nightfalls and 100 Strikes and 500 powerful enemies with Autorifles in any Strike playlist. 50 gambit prime matches, 100 gambit matches, 500 powerful taken enemies with SMGs in any gambit playlist. And if Comp players don’t like then “get gud or get out” But we seriously need more weapons that aren’t comp weapons but are equally as good. Also 21% needs a buff.[/quote] Why the -blam!- would you wish for a auto riffle..... At least ask for a good weapon not a spray and play weapon... Skilless garbage weapon

Gambit and vanguard and even crucible pinnacles need to have different requirements than get x amount of kills for example complete a 100k nightfall with 2 guns of the same type or kill invaders with only this element different challenges could lead to better overall quest design

So I wanna discuss a few topics in this post; [quote]Give the Competitive guys a sidearm because if they’re so good and all that then they can use absolutely anything. (Please make that sidearm trash)[/quote] This statement could have been left out. It's not only a rude statement to those who play competitive, but it promotes toxicity. [quote] A Vanguard Auto rifle that deals high DPS like no other Auto with a high rate of fire and perks that speed up its reload and damage and rate of fire.[/quote] This sounds very close to Breakneck, which is already in the game; obtainable through Gambit. It may not have the DPS you're asking for, but it does rival Recluse from an auto rifle perspective (Rampage + Onslaught increases damage output and reload speed, making it effective for ad clearing, which is what Recluse is mainly used for). [quote]And if Comp players don’t like then “get gud or get out”[/quote] Again, this could have been left out; just more toxicity promotion. Finally; [quote]But we seriously need more weapons that aren’t comp weapons but are equally as good.[/quote] This statement I'm torn on. For the most part, all the pinnacle weapons are good in their own special ways (except for maybe Oxygen SR3, but as previously stated by others, it should get better in Shadow Keep with a buff to Scouts as a whole). Some are good weapons to help with ad clear (Breakneck, Recluse, Loaded Question, Hush); some are good for DPS and major clear (21% Delirium, Loaded Question [this fusion is actually pretty versatile when it comes to PvE], Wendigo GL3, Mountaintop); and some are designed to be used for killing other guardians (Luna's Howl, Not Forgotten, Revoker). PvP pinnacles have shown their potential, and that's okay. I'm not gonna sit here and say it's not difficult to get these weapons, because for some guardians, it's not that simple. Having said that though, these weapons are not the "end all be all" for PvE activities. There are plenty of weapons that can be used effectively in any activities. If you want to discuss anything further, I'd be happy to talk about it. Have a good day. :)

21% is great loaded question is great breakneck is good I guess not my cup of tea. Issue is recluse is super fantastic great and makes rest look meh but I can sense a recluse nerf coming in shadow keep it's to good. And then guns like oxygen are just lame making situation worst or mountian top just being worst grind possible or maybe just me with that but since ppl using kill lobbies for it probably not just me

[quote]Could the next Vanguard or Gambit Pinnacle weapon be something to rival Recluse? Give the Competitive guys a sidearm because if they’re so good and all that then they can use absolutely anything. (Please make that sidearm trash) It’s just we could seriously use good PvE weapons that isn’t Recluse. A Vanguard Auto rifle that deals high DPS like no other Auto with a high rate of fire and perks that speed up its reload and damage and rate of fire. (To rival Recluse as it’s literally used in everything from PvP to PvE it’s a must have) A gambit Pinnacle Weapon like a hand cannon (besides malfeasance) that is equally as powerful as Lunas or Not Forgotten. Because Gambit is a PvEvP experience it’d be nice to have 21% get a buff for PvE and if we could get the Gambit PvP weapon to compliment our Gambit players. Or maybe a Gambit SMG that can rival Recluse. We could run the the Vanguard Autorifle in the Special slot and it’d have kinetic ammo. And the Gambit SMG or Handcannon in the Kinetic slot with kinetic ammo. Make the quest to get them something like 50 Nightfalls and 100 Strikes and 500 powerful enemies with Autorifles in any Strike playlist. 50 gambit prime matches, 100 gambit matches, 500 powerful taken enemies with SMGs in any gambit playlist. And if Comp players don’t like then “get gud or get out” But we seriously need more weapons that aren’t comp weapons but are equally as good. Also 21% needs a buff.[/quote] Uh loaded question is pretty damn good

As long as the weapons require skill to obtain why not. If you're asking for them to be cakewalk quests or just mindless grinds then no.

I would actually love a pinnacle sidearm from crucible. Heck, from anything, as long as it’s in the energy slot.

Pinnacle legendary trace rifle in kinetic slot with rampage zen moment

Loaded Question and Wendigo are great and I do think spike grenades (so Mountaintop) and Recluse will both be getting nerfed in PvE in the future. 21 % is also good at ad clear rather than DPS. I think the issue is the fact that the PvP pinnacles are the best PvE weapon’s when I don’t think they should be - strong yes just not no.1. I think all PvP pinnacles should be weaned in either Comp or Rumble but the quests should be structured more like the Revoker.