I'm not a PVP guy at all, but half my clan were pretty hardcore. That said, when I finally broke down & went into IB for the bounties I really was shocked and amazed at how neglected the crucible is. As weak as the DLC content is for PVE, PVP has not only 0 new maps but they actually took away a bunch of decent maps while doing nothing to improve core gameplay. Really, really insulting stuff. It's nothing but laziness to release a DLC that charges 'new game' money only to completely ignore a substantial portion of the player base and do literally nothing for PVP besides break it with an OP new ability. Almost abusive IMO. A substantial portion of my rather large clan have quit the game over this past month, after whinging and raging in chat over how insulting and ridiculous this DLC has been to the PVP community. One of my favorite Nightfall mates was a straight baller in the crucible. He played daily for years & his KD ratio + skills were insane. He hasn't been on for 3 weeks now, and the last thing he said in our Discord chat was that it felt like he paid 60.00 to have Bungie spit in his face. Damned shame. Whoever is running this game needs a proper smack upside the head.

Honestly at this point pvp is beyond saving. Nothing but crutch weapons and ability spam.

What pvp is amazing. With 90% of the maps having 4v4 in mind. Team shooting and another 90% of the maps having shotgun=win. The “we don’t want sbmm cause quickplay should be a relaxing experience” despite majority of games is LFG win in f*ucking quickplay. Then we have teams having 5 or a full 6 team of new light players vs. 3+ unbrokens with 3 other competent players. Constant lag. Majority of games ending in mercy and the constant loading into mercy games. Control being the major choice simply because it’s the only way for bungie to attempt to split guardians up to help with team shooting. Crucible has never felt better. But hey at least the primary meta feels the most balanced I’ve ever seen it. To bad I’d rather kill myself to spawn with more special than use a primary.

New weapon's and maps aren't gonna save pvp.

I prefer pvp but let’s not exaggerate things. Pve has been getting the short end of the straw for a while. They finally get one new strike map and one new raid (and it’s been a long time) they deserved new content. Bungie can’t do pve and pvp at the same time cause all their staff work for new content Eververse inventory

Sure new map Sf etc hep but It's the p2p connections and players exploiting that since Destiny 1. That's the core issue not addressed. Notice how your favorite streamer never even gets hit on their another "this weapon is op I got a we ran" -video. Yea. Back in Y1 I was asked to host chats for top trials players because they played with wifi and worat NAT on purpose. That's what it is

Why should they do anything with pvp when I see at least 15 nerf calling posts on these forums right now. You pvp lot don't deserve anything because all they do is complain and make the game worse. Downvoted

I agree. If pve was challenging or had more to offer i could understand. As it stands, all we have is a very lite and casual pve experience to appease new players into buying silver. Game launched bad, forsaken introduced some amazing features and now we are back to sterile hand out simulator. Modes like gambit and crucible have been strong for 6 years and now they are minus content while pve offers less content but one easy raid and one strike. Loot is redundant because everything is easy. Its so sad how they are just chasing after new players while having nothing to offer for their older player base who loved forsaken. Worst thing to happen was f2p it turned the game into a mobile game. Just look at the bright dust economy and ev priced, they sell it all to us like it helps us but since forsaken its ALWAYS been smaller bits of content for more cost. Seasons have been pitiful. Vex offensive was actually so bad compared to prior seasons but even that sounds good now. I mean man, this season is just so bad. Its a HVT patrol. So yeah, as somebody who does ALL pve but then settles back to pvp because pve is bot mode and easy... everything is suffering and needs help. But if bad players/ new players lap it up then i guess its just over and will never be good again. There should always be aspirational loot. Its just a participation simulator now with a store front to buy cosmetics. It makes me sad looking back at how good it used to be and could have been had they continued with forsaken esque ideas. Snowflakes throwing words like fomo when good loot requires skill has nuked the premise of a looter shooter. Now we hold hands and dribble onto our chins while bungie drip feed perks over 2 months to old exotics, hawkmoon... or we all get exotics handed out in season passes or faux community events. Its just so lame. How did we go from d1 vendors, loot, factions, armsday, armour designs and hard mode raids to this trife. I mean, how bad can things be when they release an exotic and then timegate 1 single random perk on it. Are you for real lol.

Seems like they went the Warframe route with it. In Warframe, the PvP element (conclave) is there for those who wish to play it. But they rarely ever put much effort into updating or adding stuff to it, and that makes sense, as that’s not the main focal point of the game. I’ve always felt the same way about the Crucible, and am glad they stopped putting so much time and effort into it

Just wish we had more large maps, just like combined arms in D1. These backyard sized maps, with three lane layout, are incredibly boring.

This coming from the company that made Halo’s multiplayer....what the hell happened!?