why can't they make a poll or something else doesn't require only streamers. Streamers and sweaty PVP players are reason destiny 1 year one PVP was terrible

As someone who was fortunate enough to attend one, I agree with this completely. I honestly expected Trials to be announced yesterday and Lupo and Kraftyy to be demoing it since they're big Trials names from D1, but you are spot on about them not playing and, while this doesn't apply to all Streamers who've attended, a lot of them have had huge impacts on how the rest of us experience the game and then checked right back out again after getting what they wanted out of things. I really hoped that this was not big names that don't play going to give feedback that impacts everyone again and I'm really disappointed if that is the case, particularly if it's to give Crucible/Trials feedback [url=https://destinytrialsreport.com/(content:leaderboards)]when there are players like Jyelly and Miss Noodle who were top 10 in many Trials lists including games played,[/url] who have never abandoned the game or stopped playing and who help regular everyday players in Competitive modes every single week. Those are the types of players I would like to see giving feedback. Players who aren't making a living playing the game and who understand what makes it work and fun at both high tier PvP as well as for regular everyday players. I know the Summits have evolved from the one I attended and from what I understand, they're smaller with players getting a lot more opportunity to give individual thoughts on things vs being in a room of 20/40 other people and raising hands and getting a few thoughts added to the group sessions. I did have the opportunity to have some 1 on 1 talks about the game in my experience there, but when all was said and done, I didn't feel like myself or the other regular everyday players who were there had an impact on year 2 and that the size of the community footprint really weighted the influence of the feedback which was reflected in the game turning into a job with punishing investment (infusion) and RNG, and never ending leveling. I do think that season 8 has corrected a lot of things that I was disappointed with in Y2 and I don't know how much of that could be from feedback from later Summits which I know there have been many return trips from some usual voices, but I do believe there have been some everyday players invited as well and we just don't know because they don't have followings, but I do think Bungie puts too much weight in big name voices and I hope this Summit isn't going to turn out poorly for regular players down the line. Anyone on social media has seen the top PvP players giving bad takes on Crucible the last month, including comments that Destiny should be more like Halo and how much fun a certain top player had "destroying players who can't aim" in Reach the other day. Besides the fact that it's always about them wanting to farm players for views, they gave the same feedback in D1 and that's how we got vanilla D2 PvP which was the Devs listening to those players and trying to make Destiny play more like Halo with as close to 1:1 balance as a Destiny sandbox can get, and even going with Halo's 4v4 format. And everyone hated it, including and especially all the top players who are now ripping the current sandbox and asking for everything to be even like Y1 again. It's madness. They were there asking for and reveling in these changes going into Forsaken and wanting Pinnacle weapons, etc and now they're trashing them because they're not the only ones with them anymore. Anyways, bit of a long take on it, but I obviously have strong feelings on the subject and in the end agree with you. It should be players who play and know the game and are invested, and I get why big names are important to Bungie, but I don't buy that they speak for the community. They can say they speak for their followers, but their followers want whatever they tell tell them they want.

Sometimes a gamer who falls off from a game will have valuable, if not more valuable, feedback on what works/doesn't work in the game as someone who just keeps on playing. Each side has insights to give.

They're probably trying to dig up ways to bring back old players since the FTP crowd tends to be -blam!- and are playing only for the very reason that it's free. FTP people aren't spending money on Eververse because it goes against the very reason they're even playing, and they'll likely just move on to another entertaining free game when content gets thin. So they want to try to tap the old player base that was willing to spend cash. I'm completely speculating, but I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't something along those lines. Or it could just be they're trying to generate buzz through streamers instead of paying for traditional advertising. It might be more cost effective to fly in and feed some streamers than to by ad time. Basically a product showcase, like the ninja said. Either way, Bungie isn't forking out cash like that without thinking about it first. They won't even pay to heat the room they do the stream from. (I'm sure it just sits and collects dust the rest of the time so it doesn't need straight HVAC ductwork, but they can still buy a couple space heaters and hide them behind furniture and off camera)

It's not a community summit for one. It's a summit for youtubers and streamers to get there way as usual an ruin the game.

I think Bungie is trying to find out what people like him want out of Destiny, to cater to that mindset of gamer too.

Lmao is there anything u kids won't get butt hurt about?

Why would you say you're not going to through out accusations of illegal activities and then name them to do just that?

The guys who are going where trials streamers in D1, krafty lupo n a few others. Wouldn't read too much into it, we know trials is coming this summer, nothing to be bothered by.

He was one of the biggest Trials streamers in D1. Why wouldn’t they invite him? If everyone wants Trials to come back or something similar to it why not bring back somebody who was the top streamer and then stopped playing because he was unhappy with their changes? If they are able to win him back wouldn’t that be a good sign for the direction of PvP moving forward? Stop being salty because u weren’t invited or cause ur favorite destiny player wasn’t invited.