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Edited by NeonPropose:
10/23/2018 9:05:20 PM
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What does the almighty actually do to our sun?
So whilst doing the heroic story challenge this week, turns out 1AU was up as a story mission. That got me thinking; what does the almighty do to the sun?
Now before we continue, I am in no way an expert in physics or astronomer (or whatever it’s called).
Anyway, during the CPU mission, Sloane makes comment that the Cabal’s almighty annihilates stars. Now we also know, thanks to Ikora that it specifically causes them to go supernova.
Now anyone with a basic understanding of the life cycle of a star will know that a star the size (or of similar size) to our sun, doesn’t explode in a supernova. So this is our first question.
How can a smaller star (such as Sol’s Sun) go supernova?
Well it’s all about mass. Well specifically increasing our sun’s mass from 1.989x10^30Kg by about 8 to 15 times itself.
This is also where we hit our second question: how do we increase it’s mass?
Well in 1AU, Ghost tells us that there is an electron reservoir in the weapon. So it’s got a chamber of free flowing electrons, ready to pump into the sun, to increase it’s mass.
Now my theory is that the almighty is speeding up the sun’s lifecycle.
Now those electrons are also described as radioactive and unstable.
Now another note to make is that for a main sequence star to be classed as stable it has to have two things:
- gravitational attraction tends to collapse a star.
- radiation pressure from the fission reactions tends to expand the star.
These need to be at balance for a stable star.
So the almighty has to upset te balance in order to become a red super giant.
It’s already pumping radioactive electrons into the sun to increase it’s mass.
The beam itself also attacks te sun’s gravitational attraction, weakening it. We know this as Asher states ‘The almighty is inextricably bound to the Sun’s magnetic flux tubes’.
So we have it now in it’s red super giant stage, how do we get it to explode?
Well, the almighty has to (and bare with me here) transmute the lighter elements (such as hydrogen and helium) in the sun to heavier elements (such as iron and gold). It pumps the protons and neutrons broken down from the stripped rocks of mercury to do so. Do to there being little fuel from the lighter elements, it explodes.
So in short the almighty:
- increases the stars mass
- increases its radioactive pressure
- decrease its gravitational field
- Transmute it’s elements, to become heavier.
Doing all that it speeds up the stars lifecycle, Whilst also making it bigger.
Probably gonna be proven wrong. Please just don’t be toxic. Anyway regardless thanks for reading.
[spoiler]in researching this I found two very good (and far more scientifically advanced) theories. Check em out. 1) https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/6yvqfv/the_science_behind_the_almighty/#ampf=undefined 2) https://mulehorngaming.com/2017/10/11/science-of-the-almighty-destiny-2-super-weapon/ [/spoiler]
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6 RepliesThe Almighty injects our Sun with Edge Transits. Once it shut down it started leaking. That's why there's so many.
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My theory may be similar [spoiler]the almighty pumps iron into the core of the sun, this element doesn't produce energy when it undergoes nuclear fusion resulting in the rapid aging of the sun which if the almighty continues will result in mass destruction... [/spoiler] A few side notes, I don't think people actually meant the sun exploding rather that's what was heard or panic mede them think that. Also stars use nuclear fusion to generate energy not fission(easy mistake) Thanks for the time you took to write out this post and a really great theory keep thinking guardian...
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7 RepliesProps for thinking on this. Here are a few other things in Destiny that defy science. Supers and class abilities such as blink. Many reasons, but how does "light" give me grenades? Magical Weapon Perks. Why does my weapon suddenly do more damage after a kill? Why do enemies drop treasure in engram form? Do they randomly carry things in engrams? Why can I only equip one exotic weapon or armor? Why can't I summon my Sparrow on Mercury? Why can't I store Glimmer in my Vault? (I should be able to hold 50 million glimmer) Why do all planets have the same gravity? First noticed this on the moon in D1. On Titan the ocean of liquid methane would be flammable in a oxygen environment. It would also be -300 to sustain as a liquid. Sloan is outside without her helmet on without a ghost. Why does Venchurch scour the universe and send garbage back to Eververse?
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Edited by [LBB] MasterYeet: 10/25/2018 1:34:34 AMDon’t mean to poke holes in your theory but uh electrons are considered to have virtually no mass accounting for only .0000001% of an atoms mass so the amount of electrons required to deliberately make our sun reach critical mass would be on a order of magnitude 20,000,000,000,000,000 the current amount of electrons in our solar system, so good luck trying to explain how a cabal ship can not only convert mercury into virtually pure energy, and have the potential to store enough of it to rival the energy produced by our galaxy’s core. Also electrons by themselves are not considered radioactive, there are three types of known radiation: Alpha, beta, and gamma. Alpha particles are decayed helium atoms breaking apart, beta particles are when neutrons split apart into positrons and electrons, as well as gamma rays that are simply electromagnetic waves produced by nuclear decay. All and all, a free floating electron can only be absorbed by an atom if it is an ion and considering our sun is composed of hydrogen and helium that are not capable of receiving an additional electron because their shells are full and can not bond. Additionally the amount of protons and neutrons required to be pumped into the star... don’t even get me started, let’s just say your gonna need a lot more fodder than just mercury.
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Edited by standto2004: 10/26/2018 2:31:11 PMIt can’t be described. D2 wants to keep its T rating.
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2 RepliesStars explode or collapse when they start to fuse iron. The heavier elements are born of the explosion. They are not fused in normal course. Our sun will gradually expand as it nears the end of its course. The core will collapse as it runs out of helium (which is fused as it runs out of hydrogen) and will begin to fuse increasingly heavier elements at a more rapid pace. The outer layers will expand out to the orbits of Venus and Earth and on to about 2AU (Astronomical Units, the distance from the Earth to the Sun). In order to make a star go supernova, it needs to be about 8-10 times the mass of our sun or a white dwarf paired with a red giant or another white dwarf. The key is something called the Chandrasekhar mass or limit which, in simple terms, sets the threshold for the mass needed to go supernova. If The Almighty is shooting electrons at the sun, it's not to increase it's mass. There isn't enough mass in Mercury to make our sun go supernova. It would be to produce electron capture, essentially making the nuclei take electrons to form neutrons to induce core collapse. by exceeding the Chandrasekhar mass. Of course this is all a very cursory explanation based on just a couple years of astronomy at university...some 20 years ago, so take it with a grain of salt. The funny thing about all of this is that while the system would be destroyed, almost everyone in that system, given ample warning, would survive given FTL travel. They could simply outrun the shock wave which travels at just 1-8% the speed of light.
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3 RepliesThis may be the most intelligent post ever on a Bungie forum.
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1 ReplyI’m going to go out on a limb and say you thought way deeper than Bungie did on this subject.
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1 ReplyWell, a Niels Bohr you ain’t lol. And you better hope a ghost doesn’t find Robert Millikan’s body and dig his old ass up and guardianize him. “Radioactive electron” Ikora won’t save you from that ass whooping.
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the best way to explain it is from the way it's presented in the game . It is effecting the core of the sun and if not stopped it will cause it to explode
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I'm sorry but you're wrong, it's mass is increased directly by titans (who have a skillless 1 hit kill melee) and hunters (who have a skillless panic super) crying over nova warp.
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11 RepliesSo if we are trying to discuss why something in a “fantasy” movie, game, book, etc... can be realistic........... Why not discuss how blink works? 🤦♂️
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Feeds it chipotle until it explodes in a massive fart AKA supernova.
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10 RepliesElectrons don't have mass
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15 RepliesSeed the sun with iron and watch it explode. This is how stars go supernova in their old age. Fusion makes heavier and heavier elements. When they make iron, the mass is too much for the energy of fusion to eject it and the star briefly collapses before exploding. The exploding star then makes all of the elements that are heavier than iron. I imagine that this is what the Almighty does. All that material from Mercury is processed to extract iron and the iron is shot into the sun. Then the Almighty warps away as the sun goes super critical.
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1 Replywhat happens is very simple: the all mighty is laced with iron, it charges into the core that it mined into and voila, supernova also, the term 1AU is actually 1 astronomical unit, a single earth away from the sun. so... yeah.
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1 ReplyThis thread is great. I like this discussion, even though I thought the almighty was ridiculous and not needed for the story.
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3 RepliesEdited by ThrawnHeart: 10/24/2018 8:06:06 AMEveryone is a little right and a little wrong here. It accelerates the rate of fusion by emission of electrons into the suns core where fusion takes place, this destabilizes the star but wouldn’t cause a supernova as there would be no way to increase its mass that much unless you fed enough potential energy to become mass energy with the whole E = MC2. More fittingly what you would have is giant solar winds produced by this reaction due to increased angular momentum as a byproduct of an increased magnetic field brought by a huge increase in the rate of fusion which is standard at a rate of 4 million tons a second of hydrogen being turned into helium. So even this would be quite the feat. So it wouldn’t be hot enough to obliterate the worlds but would be hot enough to strip our atmosphere and scorch the planet to where evolution would go back to probable bacteria in the oceans. If it were to actually supernova a duality of increasing rate of fusion and mass would be needed which i don’t even think the vex could figure out an energy transfer process that could result in that much added mass as the sun standard is a thousand times greater in mass than all the planets in the solar system and is on the small side compared to other stars that are many times bigger and yet still incapable of reaching critical mass to supernova. Also the very name of the mission 1 AU for one astronomical unit is the AU distance of earth from the sun, not the almighty so in fact the mission is about literally saving earth. Just a fun fact. Also it is roughly 150, 000 kms. Forgot to mention that transmutation is impossible, you can’t just add electrons or protons and make new elements, now fusion does naturally create heavy elements as a byproduct but you can’t just manufacture elements. This is covered in college chemistry.
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1 ReplyShould the sun be an explorable planet?
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10 RepliesNot trying to be the toxic one, but none of those actually make any sense (sorry!) Electrons barely have any mass, and anyways if the almighty had that mass to convey in any form, the almighty would have more mass in a much denser volume than the sun and not be stable itself. No such thing as radioactive electrons... radioactivity is associated with atoms or elements shedding mass or energy in the form of shedding alpha particles (alpha radiation) which are 2 neutrons and 2 protons, beta particles (beta radiation) which are high energy electrons or positrons, gamma radiation (high energy massless photons from nuclei decay), neutrino radiation (massless), or neutron radiation. An electron itself therefore cannot be radioactive, as it does not decay and emit any of the above. Magnetic flux tubes are associated with the suns surface and magnetosphere, not gravity. Magnetic forces are different from gravitational forces. Element transmutation... um, no. Sending all of Mercury’s mass into the sun would still be a negligible (less than a .00001% change) increase in the sun’s mass. Just wanted to provide some context.
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1 ReplyThe Almighty actually injects an explosive device into the sun that uses powers beyond our understanding.
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1 ReplyYes, yessss I see. Hmmm, so what you’re saying is nerf fusion rifles.
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4th line in and I knew a genius was about to speak.
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1 ReplyWhat even was the point in the almighty? I dont know why bungie even put it in it had no significance to the plot.
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Wow, very interesting read. Thank you.
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We need more of these. Thank you for the read!!
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