Any of these "developer dissecting" gamers would not have survived an era of gaming where the biggest source for understanding the underline mechanics of a game was a magazine or old fashioned problem solving. Too much hand holding demanded from gamers today. Play the game and let your mind unfold the mystery. Critical thinking skills is one of the benefits to gaming. I say, give me more mystery mechanics. My mind will figure it out. If it is not apparent, then it's not a big enough mechanic to care about.

If you couldnt tell that was how ammo worked from the first day, you clearly arent very attentive. Does Bungie have to tell you how to shoot your gun too?

Did they really need to take time to explain Juggler when practically everyone knew it existed and how it worked within 20 minutes of playing? It's not like it was a bug, it's an intended in-game mechanic (although a stupid one) [b]that's active behind the scenes[/b].

The mechanic isn't a problem, it's the mission design that is. Them wanting players to not use heavy all day or whatever is reasonable. It's when the game clearly would be better with some higher form of damage output and is not providing that opportunity that is the issue. They don't have an excuse for that either. Orange health enemies are supposed to guarantee heavy. So provided that even worked as intended, they should be plopping orange health enemies in certain encounters. After that it's just a matter of redundancy towards maintaining that effectiveness through player options. So things like vehicles, and pick up weapons. These are things that are in the PvE already, but they could go even further with things from other areas of the game. Things like heavy ammo packs from crucible. Not to mention just playing with mechanics like rifts for players to stand in providing buffs of some sort. Hell a mission had a rift spitting out orbs. Turrets are MIA. So yeah, juggler isn't a problem it's just a game design issue. To be frank having something as important as ammo be RNG is dumb anyway.

I get being mad about the game and important stuff but if you couldn't tell Juggler was on, my goodness. This is going to McDonald's and screaming lies and transparency when the manager doesn't come out and hold you by both of the shoulders before telling you in the most calm voice possible that there are pickles on the hamburger. Be mad about the TTK, or Eververse or the DFA drops. Be mad about the repeated mistakes. Be mad about D2 not being an expansion. If you are really mad about bungie not saying explicitly that Juggler was on, when it was completely obvious, it is time to find something more important to do. It is just basically a piece of the unpopular dual primary system and that already got enough hate.

Whos to say they wont do this with something else in fosaken? Im kinda getting tired of all this bs

You see people, I told you there was secret juggler in Destiny 2! But people didn't want to believe me at the time! Told ya so! I could tell just by the way ammo drops acted and it mirrored D1's juggler perfectly!

[quote]For those who haven't read it yet, in an interview with FPS news, Project Lead Scott Taylor admitted to the juggler mechanic in Destiny 2. What is "Juggler": The juggler mechanic basically has the goal, to make you use all of your weapons equally. So when you kill with a kinetic gun, you will most likely drop energy ammo, and vice versa. [url]https://gamerant.com/destiny-2-juggler-forsaken/[/url] Bungie basically had to talk about it now, to dispel the concerns about ammo scarcity with the upcoming weapon slot changes. Of course no details are given, it just wouldn't be Bungie without a scoop of useless secrecy on top - but my concern is not about the mechanic itself anyway. What bothers me, and what also keeps me from spending money on your products again, is your complete lack of transparency and honesty, unless you want to sell us something. What kept you guys from just explaining the mechanic shortly after launch, when players realized it's still a thing in Destiny 2? Not that this is or was the biggest issue with your game, but for 9 months people were discussing this, or even went to the lengths of testing it, writing down their results in spreadsheets. You could have saved those people hours of wasted time, if you were just upfront and honest about your game for once. Yet, you weren't. This detail clearly shows me what is wrong with your company, the complete lack of transparency on your end. Sure, you are disgruntled about your community, because they're so "ungrateful", or they're "jerks", but did you ever wonder why that is? It's YOUR behavior that breeds this kind of community. If you don't respect your customers enough to be honest with them, it should be no surprise that they also won't respect you anymore at some point.[/quote] Saluted !

They just copied it to D2 with everything else that the original D1 had

I've never understood the outrage about this anyway. If you use heavy, it drops way more often in D2 than d1. The only people who complain are the people that save their heavy for the final boss. Which is also why I don't consider it a pure juggler mechanic. If it was you guys not using heavy would have it everywhere..

I figured out something was going on back when calus first came out, we were getting f’ed in the throne room because our guns were dry and there were no ammo drops. Plus what a boring mechanic to have going at all times.

A. Stop downvoting all the post that oppose your own B. its not hard to tell that juggler was a hidden mec, play for 20 minutes and you SHOULD of figured it out C. Not that big a deal D. I agree bungie shouldn't keep secrets like this from us, even small things like this that really don't matter should be stated upfront, no questions asked E. Have a nice day all you beautiful bouncing baby boys :) Edit: some sad boy read half of my post and downvoted, what a time to be alive Edit 2: 13 like notifacations, only 4 are shown on post, some people just dont like reading i suppose

they had xp throttled until people noticed and they had to come clean about it. they have this juggler and everyone know it was a thing but it's harder to prove so they could always keep it on. Bungie is like a little kid with the mind set of "until they find out about it, it's not wrong"

Although I agree that secrets should not be kept, I don’t see this as a secret. We all knew it was in the game in D1, and we all knew it was there in D2. But I could see where people could feel violated by that, IMO, I don’t really feel like it was a secret that Bungie was trying to keep under wraps like xp throttling.

Jesus quit playing or shut up. Pretty simple.