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Edited by JakeDarrell:
1/23/2017 4:42:39 AM
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If you didnt play in year 1 stop calling it mapador...
No respectable year 1 player would refer to the matador as mapador. Before ttk shotguns had twice the range and 3 times the consistency, so shut the hell up already. Shotsguns are a depressed shell of their former selves. The majority of you "guardians" on here cry about any gun that kills you, that you dont enjoy using. Bungie is mostly to blame for the imbalance in the game, but you cry babies fuel it. Yall are gonna cry very soon at the next meta and the cycle will continue.
Edit: i should have mentioned that after shotguns got nerfed for the 4th or 5th time everyone said they were "in a great place". All the while sniper nerfs were more prevalent. Bungie than nerfed snipers (didnt touch shotguns at all) and all of a sudden shotguns are now OP. LMFAO the logic of this community is hysterical
Edit#2 i would say 90% of you have logical responses in regards to my post. Whether it be agreeing with me or against my opinion. The problem with the people who disagree yet have logical and intelligent responses to this, have no facts to back them up. A lot of you have mentioned that the ttk for primaries having dropped has in directly made shotguns op so they need a nerf for balance. I would agree with this if it were actually true. Fact is most of the primaries were nerfed a few months after ttk release, yet shotgun usage did not increase and than snipers were the meta for around a year. Right before roi we got our last weapon rebalance which actually buffed a few exotics reduced ar mags and nerfed snipers. Up untill that update went live snipers ruled destiny. We were than introduced to the clever dragon which has an optimal ttk of. 80 seconds which is one of the easier and faster ttk weapons weve had in a while (so technically primaries got a buff) . So back to my original statement only when snipers got nerfed did shotguns become over used, because snipers could no longer get shot multiple times in the face and pull off a crisp headshot, so they switched. Sooooo yeah unless you can bring facts, stop spewing ignorance. Like i said the majority of you have help bring imbalance to this game, cheers!
Edit#3 Metador is a perfectly fine name to refer to the matador.
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Every single time Bungie is about to release a weapon's tuning patch post like this always seem to pop up, stop complaining about X item that has been running rampant in the Crucible for months on end. It didn't stop certain weapons from getting nerfed in the past and it isn't going to stop Shotguns getting a look at with this upcoming patch.
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I wouldn't complain so much if I could get one. But the odds are not in my favor.
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1 ReplyIt's the full auto aspect at current max range for a shotgun is why it's referred to as such.
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All they need to do is just make primaries ttk lower so we can at least kill shotgunners if they just try to close distance across wide open areas
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Imo, I think that nearly every weapon and subclass needs tuning. Nothing feels quite right, whether too weak to justify using (such as virtually every exotic) or imbalanced in an overwhelming kind of way (such as HCR on certain primaries of the Grasp of Malok archetype). To be quite honest, what I would like to see is a somewhat higher and precisely equivalent TTK across the board for all primaries. Special weapons would then finally descend into being the secondaries they were always meant to. However, I would like to see an improvement to their overall consistency, as shotties shooting pixie dust and snipers bouncing up to the ceiling under the slightest gunfire are all too unbearable.
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Map-a-dor, Map-a-dor, Map-a-dor
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Edited by KitsuneSonow: 1/22/2017 6:39:23 PMNever saw a real issue with special weapons on the whole myself, I just think we get too much ammo for them per round and it's way too accessible to everyone. Not to mention given a good bit at the start of each round as well. Not to mention most of the maps are really cramped and based around CQC so shotguns are easily the go to for them as well unless you want to just camp out away from your enemies (which happens a lot in clash sadly). I mean, why even use primaries when you can just run around the map picking up special ammo all day and have weapons that can one shot easily?
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'Mapping' is a relative term
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4 RepliesYou can only tell people not to cry about matadors if you yourself do not have one currently equipped. Oh, I'm shocked… You have one equipped right now on two of your character. Quit protecting your crutch
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I found an answer to the Nintendo 64 and its prevalence in Crucible. First I tried using primary while backpedaling- didn't work. Next I tried to out-shotgun them- miserable fail. Finally, thinking there was no answer to the problem of the Nintendo 64, I went to Plan C- works brilliantly!
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I'll call it whatever I want. I've been here long enough.
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It doesn't matter. Think of this as a different game entirely, it doesn't matter what shotguns were formerly. What matters is the fact that primaries are terrible now and the MAPADOR can't be stopped. Back in year 1 it didn't matter that shotguns had more range because primaries could stop them easily
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You spelled felwinters lie wrong 😂😂😂
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You forgot to mention the removal of shot package
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Mapador
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It's the same argument that was used against snipers. Shotguns aren't overpowered they are overused. Just like snipers weren't OP. Snipers are useless now, unless you sit back and hardscope, and pray you don't get shot one time to make your flinch go up to the heavens. Hopefully bungie times down the flinch on snipers. That is why so many people use a matador. Snipers are bad. Fusions are bad, besides a few. Side arms are in a pretty good place.
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33 RepliesAnyone who complains about shotguns are a below average player. Most people don't realize that shotguns are some of the most inconsistent weapons in destiny there are times when you aim POINT BLANK and someone's chest and do about 14 damage while he OHK you with a stolen will. Shotguns aren't the only weapons with a consistency problem fusions might even have it worse but by far the most horribly inconsistent guns are handcannons I think all of these guns need to have the ghost bullets removed from them
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Honestly shotguns aren't the problem. It's the rate at which players can close distances even in open ranges that makes them seem broken. Combine that with the fact that nearly every single map out of...36? Is all close quarters maps.
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1 ReplyI don't play anymore but from a general view, secondary weapons should never be used more than primary weapons, yet they are.
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2 RepliesAt least shot package is no longer an option or the salty tears will flow like a river
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3 RepliesMember when rangefinder and shot-package could be rolled on the same shotgun?
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Bungie is not to blame for the imbalance issues. Are you people really that thick? The ONLY reason that there have been so many buffs and nerfs is because PVP crybabies keep crying for them. What makes it worse is that people are so impatient that the developers can't take any real time to fix anything because if there's not a patch within an hour of when people demand it, then they cry even more about how Bungie doesn't listen to them. So they're forced to just slap a hot fix together as quickly as they can that does nothing but the specific action that people demanded, i.e. nerfing subclasses, auto rifles, hand cannons, shotguns, and pretty much every single thing in the game. And then 2 months later, here come those same crybabies saying ____ isn't even usable anymore and needs a buff, so they release another hot fix with a buff that practically makes it the same as before. And the cycle goes on and on forever.
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1 ReplyI still have flashbacks to crucible in house of wolves. "OH GOSh! OH GOSH! NO, NOT THE THORN! *respawns* Oh good. Just gotta avoid him and- *dies* F*** Felwinters Sniper!" [spoiler]no joke, I had never heard of the gun before. When I first got killed by it I thought he had sniped me, then I saw the icon. Thought it had to be a glitch.[/spoiler]
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2 Replies*felwinters flashbacks*
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3 RepliesIn y2 I used shotguns because of the unnecessary addition of extra recoil to fusion rifles. When that got fixed I switched back. I used to hate shotties until I switched back for a time. They may be an easy way to kill an unsuspecting player, but when you go up against someone with good awareness and reaction time, you're fvcked. The problem is the maps. A lot are just not fit for 6's.
