[quote]It's just a video game, calm down.[/quote] Really? Is that why there is so many gamers that spend a lot of their time on this app? If it was something that wasn't that big of a deal to anyone this app wouldn't exist...

You know he most likely works for bungie. He's using a shell account to hide and all of his rebuttals are emotional heavy rhetoric along the lines of "Your arguments are illogical cuz i say they are". The rantings of either a focused worker or a devout moron.

Wow you figured it out. Look at you go.

[quote]Wow you figured it out. Look at you go.[/quote] Funny thing is he is most likely right. Nice activity. It shows you haven't been on this for since may 2015. Tell your greedy company I said hi ;)

Right because I can't keep my profile private or anything. So let me get this straight, since the two of you have no argument whatsoever, your next contention is that I am some sort of secret Bungie spy with nothing better to do then to engage in propaganda warfare with a bunch of dweebs whom will not enjoy the game no matter what I say. That make sense to you, really?

The only thing your profile shows is your activity. Love how the last time you made a reply on this forum besides my post was back in my of may 20015. Lmfao, I had to edit this because I looked at your profile again and now out of the blue it showed the first time you posted 2016 lol.

That's incorrect. But ok wtv. But for the sake of argument, even if what you say is true, which it isn't, but for the sake of this conversation, does that make you any less wrong? Nope.

This is just whats wrong with this game, but there are somethings they did right that i did enjoy. And things I know I can explain what would actually [b]( improve ) this game.[/b] open at your own risk.[spoiler][quote]That's incorrect. But ok wtv. But for the sake of argument, even if what you say is true, which it isn't, but for the sake of this conversation, does that make you any less wrong? [/quote] Okay I'll play with you Bungie lol. First off everything knows your cheap tactics in keeping gamers around giving them that fals hope that this game is "improving". Speaking of cheap tactics. Red bull. Refer a friend. Exotic class items. With the lovely weapon pack that the weapons were no more then an ordinary green Ingram that Gamers deleted from glimmer. Boot packs that cost more then an "expansion" Nice. Funny how everything in this game is over priced. Must be nice taking advantage of Gamers but not giving anything back. Love how you guys the UK and other out of US on pricing everything and Luke smiths derogatory remarks in an interview with the Europeans. Boy does Luke smith have his head up in the clouds... infact I think im going to edit this because im on my cell and add a couple links showing the respect Luke smiths, Deej and a couple others show to their fanbase ;) Oh, I loved how you guys didn't offer the $40 Tk until your fanbase got pissed off at you that you had to make an update apologizing that you didn't have a lower deal then the $80 Tk having gamers rebuy this entire game just to get the Ttk for almost 3 months. And you stated you would look into it. How generous. Oh! The best part yet. Got to love this cheap move. Nerfing the entire y1 prior to the taken King and capping them at 170 leaving gamers stuck behind a paywall with the added bonus on removing content. Man! You guys know how to show so much appreciation to your fanbase that made you millions. Got to give ya props for that. Tess, like I've stated that is the only vendors that is relavent going on 3 year. Love the rotational timer on them ;) Dangling carrots. Which shows Luke smiths incompetence and a fact that y1 never needed to be removed in the fist place. Timed events that are removed with rewards that become irrelevant the minute the event is gone just taking up vault space you lied again about adding and used last gen as the excuse in year one on not being able to add it. Tell your cheap company to take the money gamers have dumped into this game and invested servers and be done with it instead of having having Deej gloat about his vacations on the weekly updates. Light level- it literally means nothing in this game but bragging rights. No one has or ever will need max to complete anything in this game. There is no real incentive in this game to even need to reach max. And when you do the only thing you can do is go to the empty social spaces they are irrelevant in this game and say, hey noobs! Look at me... The social spaces aren't even used or set up on what they are intended for. The vendors aren't even used as what they are intended for that adding material or other things you swap the stuff out between the vendors. Really? How does the speaker that you are introducing this game that give you this line. I could tell you but... tell us what? Then you trurn him into a a used car lot, Lmfao... Gee, do ya think giving hin bounties or quest telling more of an ingame story might just might improve him a tiny bit? Nah! That makes to much sense and is too complicated for Luke Smith. Rewords. OMFG do you guys suck at this! First off and again everone knows this. The RNG systems in this game is BS. I can not count on how many times your system consistently repeats itself on dropping the same loot in every single event in this game. With the added 3OC, the decrypter, I know everyone loves Zur and the exotic engrams Lmao...in almost 3 years the only new reward gamers have had innocentive is the sword. Since then you made most of the weapons in this game have less of a value unless it is the next go-to in PvP. Y1 gamers flooded this forum about weapons and how they actually enjoyed them and how they gave a sense of value. Ttk dropped and this game become nothing but a grind leaving gamers feeling unrewarded and a waste of time knowing you make certain things a challenge in acquiring. There are no unique rewards in this game that gives gamers innocentive to run the repetitive grind with the recycled content. Everything is the same and has been for almost 3 years. So I guess you stament on wonting weapons to feel the same worked. Great job on giving gamers a sence of value. But hey, the unique things that the gunsmith should be selling like golden age is too much to add in this game huh? It doesn't effect anything in this game or advance anyone but it needs to have a price right? Why don't you explain after almost 3 years Luke smith can't come up with unique things to acquire in this game or have the vendors like the gunsmith sell accessories that give an incentive... Why don't you explain why anything that is fun to use in this game gets nerfed or even nerfed a few times? Why don't you explain how you guys advertises this game to be a PVE game but mostly focus on PvP and Tess with timed events leaving barley anything to do knowing more then half this game is irrelevant? Funny thing is, It never needed to be that way. Why don't you explain why PvP and PvE "balanceing" in this game isn't separated. Could it be its the easy way out and using "we wanted weapons to feel the same across the entire board" was the cop out? Why don't you explain the deliberate poor actions you guys made to stretch out content. Then when gamers complain enough about certain things you end up handing out a hand me out update making thing easy or easier to obtain in no time at all and used that as if you are "listening and improving this game" How's the deliberate added unnecessary loot to the loot table in Nightfall that just so happened to drop a horn numerous times running it when the first time SRL dropped. In fact you guys increased the unnecessary loot that drops in nightfall since the day Ttk was released. Boy does your fanbase love that... Speaking of loot in this game. Love how nothing has changed in almost 3 years. How many materials do you think you need to come up with just to apply it to weapons that are recycled in this game? Now you have gamers asking you to add another vendor to sell wormspore. Here's an idea that makes too much sense for Luke smith. How about creating a material vendor. Wow! What a concept. Nah! The speaker is for that right? Recycled content, gamers must love running backwards through content they have done literally by now a few hundred times since this game has been released and you calling it new content and new area's. Really? Hey! We have new public events. Only to find out they been replaced with a different type in the exact same area's on every single planet that are the exact same public event in all the planets.... How's that second court of Oryx working out that will be as dead as the one on Oryx ship in no time at all. Gee, is repetitive content that doesn't really reward gamers other then glimmer the only thing Luke smith can come up with with all that oh so special talent? Why don't you show me where the sense of exploration is in this game knowing this game is filed with COD borders? Got to love quest like black spindle speed run that all the stricks have been just to get it over with to get to the end. Recycled, reskind, resold but called a new name for weapons since Ttk dropped. Since then not only weapons, you guys over nerfed this entire game. Everything from materials, weapons, Loot drop rates, super, the RNG was actually increased on worse odds on getting nothing in this game in certain activities and most of all with Tess. Increased RNG on all vendors on not getting anything. As I stated in my post. Reload time, how much ammo weapons hold now, ammo clips, ammo drops ingame. The when the Ttk drop and since then you have created a hell of a lot more weapons that are less affective in this game that has less of a value and called this variety. Boy that variety must work well with the nerf happy team that when they nerf something they nerf it's entire category and some a few times. Great job on that "variety" [b]Do I need to go on because there is a hell of a lot more (Bungie Deliberately did) just to stretch out content in this game. Like Cozmo's false hope wish list Bungie could of added a lot of whats on that list over a year ago that companies that have common sense add before a game is released. And here we are again with a half ass expansion that has not improve this game and has not even expanded it. Don't get me started on how messed up Crucible is.[/b][/spoiler] Whoops almost forgot. Love how 3OC turned Exotics into material for progression. Again leaving this game having less of a sense of value that shows how Gamers time is spent in this game is not respected.

I'm no longer going to entertain your wild claims and goofy innuendos. All you post is subjective hyperbole and nonsense. Even if I were a Bungie spy I would probably be fired from the position for entertaining you this long. Have a good one but I'm done. Muted.

But how much of a big deal is the question. Try to have some perspective. That's an awful long laundry list of issues for someone that is supposedly a fan of what's going on generally. Perhaps the game is not the problem, perhaps you are.

Far from it. Gamers that don't justify Bungie's deliberate poor actions have no problem with this. It's the ones that try to justify everything Bungie does. I'll put it this way. As long as Bungie wants to keep being an ass with their greedy tactics. I'm going to call them out on it. If you don't like it or anyone else doesn't like and gets bent out of shape about on me. Not my problem...

Yeh but there are some problems with your position. I can see it as soon as I read your status, '' I'm tired of grinding for useless shit.'' Now I don't know if that is supposed to imply something else or not, so all I can do is take it for what it is. And in doing so it's clear you find no value in even the basic core philosophies of this title and it's loot based mechanics. If nothing else then the fact that everything you can earn or loot in the game you consider useless. So this is an issue with your attitude in regards to Destiny, not Destiny itself. Secondly, last time I checked, greed is what keeps the world spinning. There is nothing wrong with greed, Bungie should be greedy, we all should, whether or not they are greedy has nothing to do with what you personally find value in. It's all subjective. Believe it or not, some players enjoy their micro system. I also take exception when you suggest that simply because some players disagree with you they are instantly labeled as Bungie cheerleaders and fanboys. No that's not it, The game has issues that can be fixed, the problem is you want the entire game changed, and that makes no sense when this game has already been out for three years. You want to lay out a road map of positive suggestions for Destiny 2, that's great, I'll listen, and so would a lot of other people. But this...no, this sounds like three years of pent up buyers remorse, and at this point, it will change nothing. At this point, one is either a fan of this game and plays it, or they have moved on...

[quote]Yeh but there are some problems with your position. Now I don't know if that is supposed to imply something else or not, so all I can do is take it for what it is. And in doing so it's clear you find no value in even the basic core philosophies of this title and it's loot based mechanics. If nothing else then the fact that everything you can earn or loot in the game you consider useless. So this is an issue with your attitude in regards to Destiny, not Destiny itself. I can see it as soon as I read your status, '' I'm tired of grinding for useless shit.''[/quote] And so are thousands of other gamers. Im sure you enjoyed grinding for flacks to get that RNG chance on getting no rewards at all in the raid. Especially those 7 months before Bungie gave thet hand me out update. I'm sure you enjoyed watching numerous times how weapons and gear have dropped way below your light level and in infusing them not giving you a equal trade-off. I'm sure you are enjoying the deliberate low key drop as many have complained about this last month. I'm sure you enjoyed getting the same rewards numerous times through the nightfall that has the add usless loot to the loot table. The raids repeatedly dropping the same Rewards, 3OC, decrypting an engram from Zur. Don't sit here and try and tell me and everyone else that you have never gotten upset about it... Everyone has in one form or another knowing there is a hell of a lot of wasted time just grinding in this game for rewards that are nothing but glimmer. Crorrect me if im wrong. Can you get an in-game Loot drop from the Lense that Tess sells? This is my issue and should be with eveyone else when it comes to unique Rewards. For almost 3 years now you have repeatedly grinded for the same weapons in every single DLC. Just some of them have been reskind and some used as a marketing tool... Why don't you explain to me where are all the unique rewards that gives players an incentive on this over grind in this game? Why isn't the gun smith selling unique Rewards? In fact it will be 3 years if not more that the vendors in this game are irrelevant in this game. But how convenient that Tess is the [b]( ONLY )[/b] vendors out of this entire game that has a rotational stock. Why are things always behind a paywall? Why is everything in this game over priced? Why can you purchase an expansion for $30 but a boost pack is $40? Now for the best part on all this. Why isn't there anyway to acquire silver by just simply playing this game? Bungie glutes about their game an awful lot but the don't have any incentive in this game unless it's Tess. I'm sorry, but that is pure bull s*** knowing the money gamers have dumped into this game and this is how Bungie shows appreciation to their fanbase? [quote]Secondly, last time I checked, greed is what keeps the world spinning. There is nothing wrong with greed, Bungie should be greedy, we all should, whether or not they are greedy has nothing to do with what you personally find value in. It's all subjective. Believe it or not, some players enjoy their micro system.[/quote] Last I checked there are a few gaming companies that are not as greedy as Bungie and actually show appreciation to their fanbase. The best I can use right now is 343. I was able to acquire over 1,500,000 Req points. They had a year anniversary and came out with a Req pack that had 40 different items if not more. I was able to use them Req points and got over 20 different cosmetics. What did Bungie offer for making them millions? [spoiler]A y1 emblem.[/spoiler] So your statement about greed is BS because [b](Everyone)[/b] knows that there are companies out there that aren't making a game just for themselves. [quote]I also take exception when you suggest that simply because some players disagree with you they are instantly labeled as Bungie cheerleaders and fanboys.[/quote] Wrong, most gamers that disagree with me usually start off with a smart-ass comment. Gee, I wonder where most take a conversation from there. The only time I ever call anyone a BDF are the ones that think Bungie can do no wrong. Most of the time conversations don't last because I have no problem calling people out on their BS. And most like you are offended because when I post I put it exactly how it is. Some can take it with a grain of salt and have no problem with any of it at all. Then you have the ones that do because they don't like looking at the truth. You? You can go either way and there is nothing wrong in that. It's how you perceive things will determine which way a conversation will go or not. I'm not here to please anyone. If your the type that can look pass things and look at the overall no matter how the topic is posted. That's the guy ill have a conversation with because he doesn't take things personal and that is a lot of the problem with gamers on this forum. [quote]No that's not it, The game has issues that can be fixed, the problem is you want the entire game changed, and that makes no sense when this game has already been out for three years. You want to lay out a road map of positive suggestions for Destiny 2, that's great, I'll listen, and so would a lot of other people. But this...no, this sounds like three years of pent up buyers remorse, and at this point, it will change nothing. At this point, one is either a fan of this game and plays it, or they have moved on...[/quote] Like I said, I'm not here to please anyone and everyone knows that being on this forum from the time it was up on the net. Bungie has never really listen to anyone feedback on things that can improve this game. [b](All)[/b] of it that Bungie has used are things that only make this game easier or made things easier to acquire. So as long as this Community keeps ignoring the real issue with this game. Nothing will ever change and I'll be here like the rest of you.

You copied it, but you didn't bother reading it. Your answer was simply a rehash of your original post. We have had rng in this game for how long now? There is no real issue with this game. As I said, the issue is you. Time to move on and put your energy into something more constructive. Just my opinion though, do as you will. I'm sure two months after Destiny 2 is released I'll wander on here and see a similar post from you, whether they actually employ some of the changes you desire or not. Just a hunch. Annd..you didn't offend me, I said I take exception with the label. It's a false generalization, not offensive libel. It's cute though that your opinion of yourself is that high that you think you are offending everyone, no, you aren't offending everyone, you're just wrong. '' Loot drop from the lense that Tess sells.'' I don't know what that means so I'm afraid I can't comment on it with appropriate logic. Appreciation for the fan base? So what do you want them to do, bake you a cake? This is a business man, their job is to make an entertaining product that sells and makes money so they can keep the entertaining product running. Servers don't run on air, dedicated or not. It's not their job to fill every gap in your life not covered by their product. Guess what dude, as a consumer you have a choice. a choice not to support their product with your wallet. Irregardless they don't have to care about you. Hate to break it to you but they probably don't. You want cosmetics from Bungie? And what, somehow this is going to change your opinion of their game? Is that really all it would take? Now should they take feedback, absolutely. Constructive, positive feedback. Not self indulging click bait that's a day late and a dollar short. And if they do it doesn't mean they are obligated to employ every single suggestion into their game. Now, actually try to read what I posted rather then using the copy machine. Try to give my retort an actual thoughtful response.

Have a nice day :)