Stopped reading at 'there is more than enough flinch'

you're stupid shut up.

[quote]Snipers are perfectly balanced, in this game, and arguably one of those most skillful to use[/quote] Destiny is the easiest AAA game to snipe in...yet people act as though they are some sort of god when they pull off quick scopes in Destiny...lol

Try to remember as well that if snipers get nerfed just to make them less of a pain in PvP, you can bet their PvE utility will suffer as well. That said, and hear me out here, [b][i]snipers are meant for 1-shot headshots, and high crit damage at range[/i][/b], instead we're seeing quite a few players just going for two bodyshots, or one bodyshot and a quick primary shot. Suppose that sniper's base damage were reduced, so that on high impact snipers would take 3 bodyshots to kill, or two sniper bodyshots and a primary headshot (2 primary shots on high armor targets). Of course, crit multipliers would need to be increased so snipers are still useful. I mean, it wouldn't make snipers any less prevalent, but it would ensure that players are in fact going for precision shots, or that they're gonna have to put more work in if they're just using the sniper like a shotgun.

All they need to do is *Add randomized flinch (I also think if the weapon that hits you has high enough Impact and is a precision shot it should knock you out of your scope, but that's just me) *Increase precision damage *Decrease body shot damage Problem solved. EDIT: The guy below me has a point on perks like Quickdraw and others not being available on snipers

[quote]Snipers are perfectly balanced[/quote] Quite possibly the funniest thing I've ever read on these forums. 1)Quickdraw shouldn't exist on a weapon that exceeds 4-5ft in length. 2)Sniping in this game is actually [i]easier[/i] than pretty much every other FPS since you don't have to account for sway or bullet drop 3)Flinch is way too predictable 4)Explosive rounds and HCR, which are meant to deter snipers, really don't do enough 5)The [i]ridiculous[/i] amount of aim assist some of these snipers have means you don't have to be that [i]all that[/i] skilled, you just need to have good a reaction time(pending latency, of course) and working thumbs. [spoiler]Yes I know what aim assist does. Ask the boomer knight in the relay race portion of the raid how many times that poor bastard has been drag-scoped[/spoiler] 6)Body shot damage is too high, allowing for a way too easy switch to primary for the finish 7)Fire rate is way too high, allowing for easy double body shots or multi-kills Signed, - Someone who used to use snipers but finds Chaperone way more fun and challenging

Has 1.1 trials kd, calls people out for having bad stats, lmao

Your assessment on how flinch works is wrong. Re-centering of flinch is not "by chance". Flinch moves the same way every time and re-centers in a consistent and timely way. People have gotten used to using a poorly implemented and predictable mechanic instead of actual gun skill. When you are presented with the right opportunity to counter a sniper and are doming them repeatedly they should not be able to get accurate shots off as consistently and easily as they do. There are situations that should allow any medium to long range primary to counter a sniper. The problem is that no sniper will run from that fight because the current flinch makes it a very low risk activity because they know they just have to wait for the flinch to re-center. Allowing sniping to become a low risk high reward activity. My kid, Whose a better sniper than me, spent over a week studying what happened while sniping under fire. We purposely put her in spots where she was exposed to scouts and pulses. We did this with 3 different sniper rifles of varied Aim assist and no Unflinching. We watched as the flinch consistently re-centered on its own and she had to do nothing but wait. That's a terrible and broken mechanic that in no way promotes real skill. It artificially increases the effectiveness of snipers. Flinch movement needs to be randomized and not re-center. This would mean that [b]actual thumb skill[/b] (Something [b]Bungie [/b]talks about wanting to promote) is needed to reacquire your target instead of timing a broken mechanic. And yes it should be gave the same across all weapons. A change like this will have very little affect on weapons that fire quicker and run and gun because you already already constantly requiring your target. I've refined my position on this over the months through conversations with people and watching my own kid snipe through raining fire with ease. As well as watching tons of sniping vids. EDIT to add: I'm not for any kind of nerf the weapon itself. Just the flinch mechanic.

It is pretty funny when people comment that snipers take no skill to use and you check their headshot percentage with one and it is about 30%. It is almost as if they are insulting themselves.

Flinch shouldn't re-center its self and body shot damage needs a major damage nerf.

They need more flinch

Open the saltgates! But in all seriousness I main a sniper (precision kill ratio about 70% and most used weapon) and do pretty well (check out my montage when it releases!) and I do feel that snipers need more flinch. It is way too difficult to challenge a sniper without a god roll Eyasluna or high caliber pulse and come out on top. ~ Remember, that's just my opinion.

I dont care about the flinch or aim assist . I only hate the bodyshot .switch. 1 bullet of ANY gun.

Snipers are not balanced. They are meant to be used as long-range weapons but now they're used as primary weapons, especially in 3v3 playlists. What's the point of using a primary, which in most cases takes 3-4 headshots to kill someone, when you can use a sniper at the same range, which only needs 1 shot?