All around the feedback forums, when I see a PVE player complaining about the ammo nerf for snipers and chainguns, all I see in response from primarily PVP players is: "Shut up and adapt, I did." This post is in response to all of you primarily PVP players posting this. I, and many others will not shut up about this issue. It is primarily because of YOUR failures to shut up and adapt in PVP that has gotten us to this point. Rather than shutting up and adjusting your tactics so you can handle evolving situations more fluidly, you just come on this board crying day and night for "Nerf this, nerf that. TLW too OP, I got sniped, nerf it! WAH!" And Bungie ultimately gives you what you want, but here is the kicker. Because Bungie will not separate PVE from PVP, the nerfs deemed necessary to please YOU whiners carry over into my PVE experience. The result is that my arsenal is filled largely with ineffective spitwad shooters. Only with this latest nerf, they've now limited the amount of spitwads I can carry. PVE players have had enough of the stupid nerfs for PVP purposes which have eroded our PVE arsenal. Rather than join forces with us and focus on trying to force Bungie to fully separate PVP balancing from PVE, you have the audacity to tell us PVE players to "shut up and adapt, I did." I have news for you. Brace yourself for a blow to your inflated ego. No, you didn't shut up and adapt. Your crying about certain weapons that kill you and your failure to adapt has resulted in nerf after nerf after nerf. You sat on these boards complaining about whatever weapon that killed you and cried until it got changed. Now its PVE player's turns to complain until things get changed back to how they should be. So all of you players who are telling PVE players to shut up and adapt, I say to you now: Bite your tongue and say nothing, or join us in our endeavor to have Bungie fully separate PVP weapons balancing from PVE. Because even if your in-game experiences are different than others, your attitude regarding the matter is counter-productive and it is not helping to improve the game. [Edit] Wow guys! I had no Idea this post would get this much attention. I was just venting my frustrations at being told the new equivalent of "git gud scrub" over and over when complaining about the ammo nerf is a legitimate concern amongst PVE players. For those PvP players who also supported this post, thank you for reading the entire post and getting the gist of my post. I know I didn't make it clear, but I wasn't pointing the finger at the ENTIRE PVP community. I thought I was making it pretty clear that my wrath was more directed at those in the PVP community who constantly complain that this weapon or that weapon is OP because it kills them too much. If you are not someone that comes here and complains about nerfs, obviously I was not pointing the finger at you. Likewise, if you are not the kind of player who comes on here and just tells people to "shut up and adapt," I wasn't singling you out either. Lastly, I would just love it if Lord Shaxx would shout "GROW A PAIR!" every time someone is sniped, just for the LOL's.