If the recent Iron Banner has made anything clear it's that a vast majority of you are in dire need to finally grow some caBALLS. Therefore, WOULD YOU KINDLY, giveaway your Thorn and/or Last Word back to your own vault's abyss until proper rebalancing has been introduced ! Note that being an extremely average to low-tier pvp player actually puts me in a good position to judge a weapon's performance. If I get twice as many kills with a particular weapon it's not that I suddenly became beast during the loading screen...but rather that I equipped a ridiculous weapon that does most of the work for me ! CAUSE & EFFECT. How in the world can all you guys with more than 3000 grimoire scores still use these weapons and the likes of final round snipers as well as the felmatacrasher without feeling SHAME (in any game mode for that matter, apart from pve) ? BECOME LEGEND, NOT A PARIAH Peace on earth (as well as a fun and balanced crucible experience) PS : Fight fire with fire analogy : If firemen were to fight fire with fire, it could work. Instead of chucking gallons of water or whatever composites they tend to use these days ; they should just chuck napalm on it to speed it up and make it die out faster. Problem is you won't be able to salvage anything from it. I doubt the firechief would pat his crew on the back saying "well done boys a new record to put out that fire" when there is no trace left of the building or its occupants. Please try to stick to water.