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Edited by Blackstride:
6/14/2015 2:57:22 PM
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To all: Don't Nerf thorn, buff other guns!
I'll make this post short and sweet:
Thorn, as annoying, ubiquitous, and powerful as it is in PvP, thorn CAN NOT afford to get nerfed.
I was once on the Nerfing side, but I understand that from the PvE side, this gun is amazing, and not overpowered in the slightest. Even if it's DoT were to be lessened, the whole point of using the gun, even in PvE, would vanish.
The community has always loved this gun, so let's raise others to compete with it, rather than strip it of all of its appeal!
[i]Edit: The #1 thing people are saying that buffing guns will further lower the TTK in PvP, which is true and undesired. As we have seen, most people will go for the gun that gives them the TTK advantage. What I'm trying to explain, is that if we have guns that have a TTK of .5 seconds and below, people will strive for that gun. And if you don't, then you are at a disadvantage in this area. A new word for some people: this is what's known as a DISPARITY. The only way to solve a disparity like this, is by raising TTK of all other guns to make it more even (which no one wants) lower the guns with ridiculously deviant TTKs (TLW, HM, etc) OR find a middle ground which is what I am personally for. Guns and winning firefights also do not revolve around TTK, and I acknowledge that guns like Mida, or plenty of Legendary are fantastic with very average TTKs.[/i]
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Thorn needs a buff, -blam!- the other weapons, Not forgotten,Lunas,Roadrix Claymore and Broadsword,Recluse is the ones who deserve a nerf!, I want my beatiful Y1 Thorn back in Destiny 2
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Gentle nerf to exotic hand canons and considerable buff to auto rifles
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2 RepliesDo you remember the thorn before it's buff? You know, the one everyone complained about because it sucked and there was no reason to use it over even legendary's? Too slow to reload, too hard to handle, and 6 rounds werent enough for the cylinder. Nobody used it. I was on this subreddit since around week 2. Ive seen all the trends on weapons and armor. Ive seen all the complaints and opinions. I remember the outcry of how Thorn was so hard to get (at the time) and yet it was a terrible gun and there really was no reason to use it over many other guns...many even deleted the bounty when they got it. Same with Bad JuJu. SO what did Bungie do? They listened to the masses. They buffed Thorn. But Ive used Thorn since week 2. It was hard to play with..even in the Crucible. And it was outmatched by many other guns. The buffs were great. And they were needed. These were the buffs. Thorn Projectiles now briefly highlight targets on impact Mark of the Devourer DoT (damage-over-time) upgrade increased against PvE enemy targets Reload Speed increased Magazine Size increased Ammo inventory size increased Stability and Weapon Handling increased The only thing i see here that would have made somewhat of a difference in the crucible between yesteryear and today is the stability. The damage, range (trade off between high stability/low stability), fire rate, and DoT have not changed. What you are seeing today are just more Thorns. And because the word is out and the current trend is to hate them, everyone is putting more attention towards your screen turning green when hit by it. And you are seeing more of them because Thorn is one of your top HC's for PvP. And HC's are around more because the bread and butter of all FPS's, the auto rifle, absolutely sucks now. Bungie needs to rethink their auto rifle balance...not the other guns...because then you will have more VARIETY in the Crucible again. I guess if Bungie wanted to adjust Thorn they could do so with touching only the DoT or adjusting only the stability. Anyway that's just my two cents. Edit: Seems the consensus is that the DoT is OP, range is OP, stability is OP, magazine size is OP, fire rate is OP, and the reload speed is OP. The only thing you can do to this gun to not break its use in PvE is drop its range. Although its base range is in all actuality fine. The "Send It" perk should probably be reduced and in addition reduce stability even more.
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Don't buff. Nerf the damn thing. I don't want this game turning into a CoD with TTK.
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EXACTLY THE SOLUTION.
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Buff other guns? What the hell? When did this turn into call of duty where every gun kills you in 2 shots? Where is the fun or strategy in that?
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Solution to the time to kill issue: Buff other guns to the same Ttk as Thorn and Buff the armour x1.5 to increase all weapons Ttk
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Before they nerfed auto rifles, people didn't really complain about thorn.
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I loved HCTDM in CoD. One hit kills from everything, but Destiny would need to run at 60 fps cause 30 can't handle a HC mode.
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Ttk will be too fast.
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Can't they just buff the weaker guns and increase the health of guardians in the crucible so the ttk doesn't become too quick?
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4 RepliesAh yes, let's decrease the TTK of this already instant-death-filled pvp.
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Here's the PvE fix: bring bag the penetration it had before the nerf to all bullet penetration. And you nerf the PvP damage so it takes two headshots with the full DoT tick from each to get a kill.
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5 RepliesCAN WE STOP THIS, THIS IS GONNA BECOME COD IF YOU BUFF EVERYTHING ELSE, if you buff everything else, hand cannons will be useless, except thorn and TLW, if they buff them, thorn will be op again, this is a long time to kill game, i dont wanna play call of destiny PLEASE
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The time to kill will be ~1s, making it basically CoD. So no.
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Auto rifles especially!
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I think only auto rifles and maybe scout rifles need a buff but everything else is fine
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2 RepliesSo raise all other guns to have a TTK of 0.36? Is that really the answer? We should just run around naked then so out armor is representative of the damage we can take.
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You're retarded if you want to buff other gubs. PvE will be easier than it already is, and Crucible will be CoD.
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I agree with you. BUT. It is far easier to nerf the problem gun than it is to raise others to the point of competing. Because they will most likely overshoot on one and create a new problem.
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I would rather they put everything to the auto rifles level. That way the ttk goes up
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2 RepliesOr just take that buff off that bungie did to thorn in the beginning:p
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7 RepliesEdited by Reclaimer: 6/14/2015 2:52:26 AMWhy is it that shitties always have this backwards logic as a justified means of dealing with Thorn? [i]"Hey, there's one or two guns causing a game imbalance because of their low TTK. Let's make EVERYTHING have a low TTK until each gun kills us in one shot instead of re-tooling the one or two guns.[/i]" I can't make it sound any more stupid even if I tried.
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No, we do not need higher TTK weapons, this isn't call of duty.
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Yea take autos back up, I miss suros I loved using that gun, and I finally got a monte Carlo after they nerfed autos so I'd like to use it too in crucible. Plus take vex back up to where it was a few months ago. This would deter people from always using thorn. I've said it once I'll say it again, it isn't so much that thorn is overpowered (tho it def is or every scrub wouldn't use it) but it's that it's over used. So if they had other options it would deter the overuse.
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Nerf thorn so it three shots. The burn doesn't two shot u. Then buff auto rifles.
