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Edited by highlander1590:
12/10/2020 6:46:56 PM
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The State Of The Union PVP: All Time Low
I am a D1, Day 1 player and have never taken time off. So I have lived through all of the metas over the years. Now I am not a good PVP Player so let's get that straight. I like to think that I am about average. Ok all that being said . . . I can't remember having less fun in PVP than right now. And before you ask why I am still doing it . . . just for the Pinnacles baby and that is all.
From the start of D1 and right up until the past few weeks. Most top scores in quickplay control would be in the 30's and from time to time in the 40's. Now players are regularly getting 40's and 50's. Why is that?
Could it be that pretty much everyone has a shotgun that can kill with 1 shot from double what the range that it should be?
Could it be that special ammo falls like rain?
Could it be all the good folks that play with Jotun . . . a weapon that does all the work for you and you don't have to aim the thing.
Could it be stasis, the gift that keeps on giving. Just about 90% of the time if you are trapped by it. . . you are dead. And Stasis is not coming at you just from supers but in melees and grenades too. So it is a veritable Stasis fest.
Maybe it is just me but this is not really as fun anymore. Opinions?
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PvP is the best its ever been. There are things that can be nitpicked, and there always will be but the way its working overall right now is pretty damn awesome. You simply can't have it so the game makes it so people aren't hitting in the 40s and 50s just because you don't like when that happens. It screws the game up.
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I like to think of myself as decent (1.2 comp and trials, 1.6 quickplay). It’s no worse now than it ever was. There are crutches, just like nf dust rock in forsaken, antiope graviton in warmind, pally icebreaker is rise of iron, clever dragon matador before that, etc, etc. it’s the cycle of the game. You will never feel the competition in this game as far as balance and reward for gunplay that you will in something like r6. Its not in this pve based games nature.
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Day1 D1 Vet, commander of the iron fleet, breaker of chains, conqueror of men! Calm down bro it’s pixels meant for enjoyment
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Go play cod if you don’t wanna be killed by specials
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21 RepliesYou have very unusual pvp stats. Quick play 1.03k/d Glory/comp 1.14k/d. That's a lot better in terms of your position in the player base. Trials 1.19k/d and 81.5% win rate. What's the story here? How can you be so elite in trials yet so mediocre in quickplay?
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2 RepliesAgreed. There is simply too many one shot special weapons now its got to the point that is literally all anyone will use. Shotguns in a game like this are insanely op imo. You try running straight at someone in cod with a shotgun and see how that works out. Imo you should get maybe 3 special ammo per life and thats it. No drops no reloads 3 and done. Also any weapon with tracking should be removed from pvp.
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The problem to me with pvp is why dont we have maps? Like why take out pvp maps? That’s just stupid
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7 RepliesI would say that aside from Felwinters, the weapon sandbox is pretty balanced. Scouts, pulses, hcs, snipers, smgs, GLs, and most shottys are pretty viable. The only thing I don’t see a lot is trace and fusion and bows.
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2 Replies[quote]I am a D1, Day 1 player and have never taken time off. So I have lived through all of the metas over the years. Now I am not a good PVP Player so let's get that straight. I like to think that I am about average. Ok all that being said . . . I can't remember having less fun in PVP than right now. And before you ask why I am still doing it . . . just for the Pinnacles baby and that is all. From the start of D1 and right up until the past few weeks. Most top scores in quickplay control would be in the 30's and from time to time in the 40's. Now players are regularly getting 40's and 50's. Why is that? Could it be that pretty much everyone has a shotgun that can kill with 1 shot from double what the range that it should be? Could it be that special ammo falls like rain? Could it be all the good folks that play with Jotun . . . a weapon that does all the work for you and you don't have to aim the thing. Could it be stasis, the gift that keeps on giving. Just about 90% of the time if you are trapped by it. . . you are dead. And Stasis is not coming at you just from supers but in melees and grenades too. So it is a veritable Stasis fest. Maybe it is just me but this is not really as fun anymore. Opinions?[/quote] PVP has three actual problems: matchmaking, spawn points, and P2P connections. Everything else is just adapting to the sandbox, which isn’t hard. Maybe you’re just burnt out.
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I can't agree more. PvP isn't enjoyable anymore.
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While I agree with some of this you saying “I’m not good at PvP” invalidates some of your arguement.
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Edited by Karl-o_o-: 12/10/2020 11:14:52 PMYes Yes Yes Yes ... And yes. My nr 1 frustration right now is getting killed by "shatter" even though I'm not frozen. My nr 2 is shotguns. My nr 3 is lobby balancing. It's a mercy rule every other game. Nr 4 is peer to peer. I'm not as responsive today as back in D1 Day 1, but not so slow that I "experience" (can't remember the correct expression right now) getting one-tapped by weapons that shouldn't be able to one-tap.
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No one good uses a jotuun... lol It’s cbmm if you are struggling you probably are a way below average
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What class loadout, mods, weapons are you taking in? Stasis once you get used to fighting it is counterable or at least avoidable for the most part. Weapon balance is the best it has ever been in D2 currently constantly dying to one particular shottie is also avoidable when you change your playstyle slightly. I personally run fusions for special as a decent shottie counter/deterrent just have to know the precharge timing. Special ammo well I agree there it's a little too abundant at the moment, definitely shouldn't respawn with it.
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Well let's see I'm getting cross mapped by a stupid HC and losing while hitting them with a scout rifle. I hit people 3-5 feet away with fel winters but don't kill them even though I am 20-30 LL higher in iron lagfeast. People lagging so bad I'm killing them as they run into the wall. Best of all the stasis crap is so broken it's absolutely pathetic. I throw a disk bubble grenade they run right through it but I get stuck and sucked into theirs from 5 feet away.
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Edited by Lee: 12/11/2020 12:55:57 PMIts probably because in D1 assists didn't count on the final screen and only showed your kills. Whereas now assists count towards your guardians defeated score
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1 ReplyCompletely disagree. Shotguns have a kill range at max (other than slugs) of 8 sometimes 8.5 metres, it isn’t difficult to avoid that. Stasis is just as strong as top tree dawn, spectral blades, missile Titan, Titan smash and blocking arc staff, it’s just a different way of playing. Special could be adjusted, maybe to only allow half of the weapons reserves to be stored or pick up max 2 every time but I think it’s fine because primaries feel very good. I’m fed up of people saying (I’m a d1 vet player so I think this and it must be right) Guess what? I am too. I played when felwinters was broken, last word hit double 100 from a mile away and thorn was a 2 head run away. Shotguns are fine, snipers are fine, fusions need a slight buff, not the erentil frame but the rest just to be potent. Yknow why players get higher scores? New dlc = new players New dlc = more players playing New and more players = bigger gap between good players This means that players before playing against the dedicated players before dlc and doing good are doing even better because of the new and increased player base who are playing. I’m fed up of people saying (I’m a d1 vet player so I think this and it must be right) Guess what? I am too. I played when felwinters was broken, last word hit double 100 from a mile away and thorn was a 2 head run away. Shotguns are fine, snipers are fine, fusions need a slight buff, not the erentil frame but the rest just to be potent. Primaries feel great and stasis is yes very strong but it’s fun so who gives a dog shite! Go have fun! Love u x
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10 RepliesI’m a day 1 D1 vet, only my opinion matters!
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Seriously, though. You can just skip it. One +1 mini pinnacle per week per character is not worth it. Same for gambit. If people would just accept that it makes no difference if your base light is 1258 or 1259 or 1260, they'd enjoy the game a lot more. And believe me, I agree with you. But as always its not the state of the game mode, its3 the state of the people playing it. Now gambit, that's the state of the game mode. Man is that just the worst experience now 🤣
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Stasis is annoying af along with a variety of broken exotics, but I still get the last laugh when I didn't pay $50 for ice. Broken exotics at least encourage exotic hunting.
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[quote]From the start of D1 and right up until the past few weeks. Most top scores in quickplay control would be in the 30's and from time to time in the 40's. Now players are regularly getting 40's and 50's. Why is that? [/quote]I have played 38,000 matches since Y1 of D1. During that period something I have observed is that when the top players are getting more than 20 kills the matches become awful. It only gets worse as their kill counts increase because there is way too much disparity between the top players and the bottom players. The disparity is becoming slightly greater every week. Stasis has made the situation more unbearable. Bungie should have released a Stasis weapon, not a subclass. It would not surprise me if a lot of players become frustrated and stop playing PvP.
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2 Replies[quote]Could it be that pretty much everyone has a shotgun that can kill with 1 shot from double what the range that it should be? [/quote] 4 meters? That’s a dumb idea.
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It’s not really hard, all you have to do for a kill to register is simply damage someone.
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Edited by BIRB: 12/11/2020 12:27:56 AM[quote]Could it be that pretty much everyone has a shotgun that can kill with 1 shot from double what the range that it should be?[/quote] I mean has there ever been a meta where shotguns are [i]not[/i] included? If you’re referring to felwinters, it has a an edge over most other shotguns but is definitely not the be all end all of shotguns. And most certainly not pretty much everyone has one, hence it’s controversy at the moment haha [quote]Could it be that special ammo falls like rain? [/quote] I don’t think this is a problem. I can’t tell if this is an unpopular opinion or not. I hated the special ammo drought towards the end of d1. [quote] Could it be all the good folks that play with Jotun . . . a weapon that does all the work for you and you don't have to aim the thing. [/quote] To this day I still don’t understand how people regard jotunn as a cheesy weapon, or a “good” weapon at that. It can be effective for taking out people who aren’t paying attention, but I find that it’s super easy to dodge if you have any sort of maps awareness. There’s a reason why it’s not seen in competitive play. [quote] Could it be stasis, the gift that keeps on giving. Just about 90% of the time if you are trapped by it. . . you are dead. And Stasis is not coming at you just from supers but in melees and grenades too. So it is a veritable Stasis fest.[/quote] stasis is pretty busted, but I don’t entirely hate it. I’m having a whole lot of fun on the delivery end (not so much on the receiving end lol). Would love to see the old subclasses get an aspect/fragment makeover. [quote] Maybe it is just me but this is not really as fun anymore. Opinions?[/quote] Maybe you just need a break from the game if you’ve been playing consistently since d1. Some metas are going to be worse than others. I also think fun and balanced don’t always go hand and hand; for example I actually enjoy the stasis meta despite it being busted. If you aren’t finding the game fun anymore, there could be a deeper issue at hand than an issue of the current meta.
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Couldn’t agree more. I quit playing Destiny a couple weeks ago for these very reasons. I’m checking back in on the forums and patch notes waiting for it to be addressed. I’ll come back when it is done. Need half the special ammo dropping, shotgun and pistol ranges nerf back to where they were, and stasis supers shortened and in some case shrunk in range of effect before I’ll come back.
