Better than this new Destiny-fornite seasonal content?? Absolutely. Does that mean D1 was good?? Compared to season of (insert suffix here) well, lets just say that we had bright dust upon dismantling items, ammo synthesis, vendor inventory refreshments, arms day, 3oC, trials of osiris... won't continue listing features if you been around long enough you know D2 is missing stuff.

Yep. They were all saying Destiny could not get any worse......then Destiny 2 came along and.... Bungie or rather Luke "The Blogger" Smith said....hold my beer. LOL

People kept complaining during D1, they hated EVERYTHING! Now, they say they hate D2 even more. Personally i followed D1 development since at least 2 years before the release, and i got so disappointed, it was so different from what what they announced. I have no idea why people loved grinding so much Destiny 2 now is far better than D1 in almost every aspect, more content, the farm is better, the gun fight is even better. I am not a huge fan of this seasonal stuff, but since we can buy things à la carte, the game is no longer obsolete when you do not buy everything.

The only things i miss from d1 are yhe following : -complete raid weapon sets (1nd not only 3 or 4 weapons that should have been from anoyher activity...aka sotp and forge weapons) -pvp sandbox (depens on what but most weapons were possible to use in a competitive way, and no super was incredibly godlike and unstoppable (maybe the pre nerf sunbreaker but it didnt lasted for so long) -better armor and weapon designs, d2 lacks originality and...honestly...70% of d2 loots is ugly looking. -strike modifiers that were actually fun and challenging. (D2 modifiers are always about making ennemies even more bulletsponges, while bonuses are..meh and only a few of those exists) -loots everywhere, whatever you were doing in d1 you had unique rewards, from pvp matches, to strikes, to quests, to challenges etc.... -And also the overall tess inventory, it was more accessible and most shaders/sparrows/ships were unique drops from activities or factions. It felt more rewarding than using your credit card to get a cosmetic. Now when we have a cosmetic that is possible to get trough gameplay...its just a recolor of somethingwe already own with a sticker on it (iron banner ship, triumph ghosts or ships, the new dungeon ship...) All disappointing loots. Anyways, d2 have great stuff in many ways compared to d1. But it definitely lacks the rewards for a loot based game. D1 had the loots, thats why it was enjoyable going trough activities (activities that felt more fresh because of diversity and modifier) A d2 strike is mainly, going trough weak waves of adds and melting the final boss that is as strong as a dreg with a broken leg. And pvp...spare ration/ mindsbender/ beloved/revoker/last word (and some other stuff for console such as erentil and luna) And you have the pvp meta since more than 1 year. Lacks of diversity. In d1 the meta was changing pretty often, and most guns were still competitive even against meta weapons. In d2...unless you are a true insane player you wont make most guns work against a team using the meta. D1 pvp felt more "arcade" than d2, where it feels like "tryhard" more than anything else.

Stfu

I wasn’t complaining. The last 6 months of D1Y3 was great. Yeah we only had 4 raids but personally my 2 favorite raids to date are VoG and WotM. The raids were on a weekly rotation with each having different challenges and offering awesome gear and awesome ornaments that you had to play and earn vs buying them from eververse or pulling them from a season pass. T12 armor builds was achievable and high stat armor could drop from anywhere including tower vendors who’s gear rotated weekly. There was actually a reason to run the strike playlist other than just to complete a weekly bounty because you could farm keys and use them to obtain strike specific loot with random rolls giving you a reason to keep grinding for different rolls or higher stats. Your subclass skill tree gave you the freedom to build your character the way you wanted to play so if I wanted to run golden gun I could do so with combustion and keyhole. I could also run that with whichever throwing knife I wanted vs it being stuck to whichever golden gun option I wanted to run and I could spec for speed, armor, or recovery to my liking. Trials was in a sweet spot with great rewards not requiring you to do anything but participate but also offering trophy gear in the form of adept gear being a different color and offering ornaments that again you had to complete to earn instead of buy from eververse. Court was fun, forge was fun, prison was fun, and all had different drops that made them worth doing. Basically yes, D1Y3 might not have had as much content as D2Y3 does now, but all that content was relevant and fun. D2Y3 has so much content and it’s all mediocre with almost none of it feeling rewarding. All cool ornaments are locked behind a paywall instead of gameplay, vendors gear doesn’t refresh at all. Even if it did, all the gear isn’t worth buying anyway. 99.9% of legendary gear that drops I shard because low stats or meh rolls. Pinnacle is pointless because you don’t need the extra 10 light, you can get it from the artifact, and they are just going to bump light by 10 again next season. It’s pointless to run the raid or iron banner now because the season pass is going to give you your highest stat roll armor of the season, and the game is riddled with bad ideas like elemental affinity, seasonal mod slot, cost to MW, only source to farm MW mats being the nightfall, the nightfall being made into this weird farmable activity instead of being something challenging that you ran once per week per character (idk about you but I am not a fan of running the same strike over and over and over just to get a bunch of garbage so I can farm MW mats - also, making it more difficult isn’t making it more challenging, w/o the kick to orbit on wipe NF’s don’t have the same exciting feel that they used to), and eververse being the only vendor who ever gets a refresh or new stuff. Yes people complained before D2 came out, and after, and even back during the beta. Guess what, everybody has an opinion and everyone thinks the thing to do is share it on the internet. However, when the game is in a state where a lot of people are all complaining about the same thing, chances are there is something wrong with that thing. Bungie made bad choices in D1 where the majority of the community complained about the same thing, those things then got fixed, then D2 came out and they did it again with D2Y1, and now they have done it again in D2Y3.

D1 was better because there was more purpose and more spontaneity in the game and hence it was much more enjoyable and FUN D2 has a control freak in charge who loves to dictate exactly how it must be played and that involves removing all surprises and spontaneity - remember when a Legendary Engram used to turn into a great Exotic every once in a while? REMOVED D1 raids were better and I beat them all on Hard Mode and completed all challenges (except WOTM final boss - too much stress there). I've hardly played D2 raids at all, they are way too puzzle heavy... Plus D1 had Trials, and better format of Iron Banner plus Factions. As I've made the transition to PC I really hope Bungie will do the right thing and port D1 to PC, or release D3 with a combined D1 + 2 foundation

Quality over quantity. Sure, D2 has more, but D1 did some things better. Subclass trees: Although mostly everyone used the same builds, you could still choose the perks you wanted, and they actually had synergy with one another. The only flaw was that they didn't make every perk useful. They could have buffed the underused perks. In D2, the perks at locked into clusters of 4, and you can't swap the perks with one in another tree. Some perks don't synergize with one another and belong in another tree, like Phoenix Dive in Attunement of Flame. That should have been combined with Icarus Dash in Attunement of Sky, and Viking Funeral from D1 should have taken its place in Flame. Terminal Velocity should have been in Code of the Missile. Ebb and Flow should have been combined with one of the perks in Way of the Warrior. Pulsewave needs to be replaced with something else. Maybe a perk that recharges Ball Lightning and increases its damage when critically wounded. Raids: D1 had fewer Raids, but the Raids were more enjoyable and has better rewards. The weapons and armor from D2 Raids have no unique perks, and mediocre designs, and it took Bungie a long time to add Raid-specific armor mods. Yet, Raid weapons still continue to have no unique perks. And while the Raids in D1 had less mechanics, the boss fights felt more like actual boss fights. Loot: While D2 has more armor, weapons, shaders, cosmetics, and even Ornaments, the aesthetics have been reduced considerably. About 95% of the cosmetics are in Eververse now, and we don't have Strike-specific armor, or decent Strike-specific rewards in general. Who, in their right mind, would make a useless exotic Ghost Shell, or a transmat effect, the sole Strike-specific reward for a strike? And none of the Strike-specific weapons are themed after the enemy-types anymore. Remember the Fallen autorifle from Taniks? Nothing like that in D2 unless it's an Ornament for an Exotic.

The point is that by the end of D1, Bungie had managed to hammer out a lot of the most pressing and inarguably the most annoying QoL issues with D1, and in fact, when I got an Xbone and played D1 on it for the first time after playing on the 360 for so long, Crucible was actually fun: a Vision Stone dropped for me and I was killing with it. I would have picked up D2 at launch if not for the fact that near the end of my D1 time, Bungie gave me a 1-week ban from Crucible, supposedly for 'connection issues' even though my connection was fine, and it was likely due either to lag switchers or simply being thrown in matches with players on the other side of the world that my connection to matches suffered, and I was pretty salty about that and only picked up D2 when it went on sale, bundled with another game that I actually wanted to play. :P And when I finally did start playing D2, I was appalled at the number of major issues D2 had that _had been fixed in D1 after months of complaints by D1 players_. It boggled my mind that the same company managed to not only not learn the lessons they should have learned from their D1 mistakes and how they were fixed, only to repeat them in D2, but in some ways made them much worse. So when people say D1 was better than D2, I suspect they are referring to that. There is no doubt D1 had its issues in its development cycle and the launch was bad enough that I didn't buy it at launch or preorder D1, despite my having been a huge Bungie fan during the Halo 3/Halo Reach days (or even back with Halo: Combat Evolved on PC, for which I still have the original box and disc). Hell, I have every Halo iteration except Halo 2 (I didn't have a console or PC at the time and couldn't find the a copy of it for a decent price until after multiplayer servers had shutdown), and I bought at least 3 copies of Halo: Reach, including the Collector's Edition. I'd been following the development of Destiny with much interest, in large part due to the original concept art and design and the idea of an MMO-style PvE/PvP game which was in the form of an FPS. I was disappointed that the Destiny launch was so terrible, with server disconnects galore, and was what convinced me not to buy it at launch. Yet by the end of Rise of Iron, I had been enjoying myself, despite the lag in Crucible, the cheaters, the constant disconnects from even simple PvE missions. I had thought Bungie would have fixed connection issues and such in D2, but alas, when I did finally start playing D2 Crucible and was getting the same issues with lag and cheating, which came to a head when I was playing Comp to get my Redrix, and I got DDoSed. I didn't know I had gotten DDoSed, at first: I just wrote it off as Bungie's bad netcode as usual, same as D1. To be honest I'd just assumed D2 ran on dedicated servers only, because what game dev worth their salt would seriously consider running a multiplayer game using peer-to-peer in this day and age? So imagine my surprise when I looked into it, and discovered that no, in fact D2 did not use dedicated servers but a horrifying hybrid of peer-to-peer that really wasn't any better than D1, and that the reason my home internet (and indeed, the home internet of my parents when I went to visit them) was repeatedly going down for exactly 10 minutes at a time while I was playing Comp, was due to DDoS attacks. To be honest, my knowledge of DDoSing was largely from the late 1990s and early 2000s, and was under the mistaken impression that DDoSing was both difficult and expensive to do, and was largely used against large corporate targets, not against individual players. I didn't even know you _could_ be DDoSed on console. Doing a little digging, I realized that not only was this wholly incorrect, but that the past 5 years have been a virtual renaissance for DDoS attacks, not just against corporate servers but against players as well, with the barrier to entry for DDoSing substantially lowered from the '90s when you actually had to have some measure of hacking skill to build your own botnet and command and control servers to mount attacks, to the script kiddies of the later '90s and early 2000s, to now just being able to go to a DDoS-for-hire site, punch in a gift card code and your opponent's IP address and voila! Which would be why I've been banging on about DDoSing on Destiny 2 ever since then, and telling people to play via a VPN connection. Ultimately, it is Bungie's responsibility to run a multiplayer game that does not expose players' IP addresses to anyone and everyone, and to the best of their abilities crack down on cheating by dedicating substantial resources to not only catching and punishing cheaters, but also having a transparent process of justice to ensure that people aren't false and unfairly banned. As it stands, I just played my first Classic Mix match of 2020, and of course, as soon as my team was doing well, I started suffering connection issues to the match, and our team narrowly lost despite my best efforts (I was top scorer on my team before I menued out of the match with 12 seconds left on the clock, because I'm not sticking around to 'lose' against a bunch of cheaters, thanks :P). People may have rose-tinted glasses recalling D1 in a better light than the aggravating experience it was, but at least in D1, a lot of issues had been fixed by the time I stopped playing D1 and started playing D2. And truth be told, I would have been even more aggravated during D1 had I known that a lot of the 'lag' in Crucible, and 'mysterious' disconnects from Crucible when my team was winning, was the direct result of Bungie choosing to use peer-to-peer connections as a cost-cutting measure instead of investing in dedicated servers like Ubisoft did with For Honor (belatedly, after all the rampant cheating in peer-to-peer nearly killed the game a year ago). But at least I have fond memories of my time playing D1 with my friends, and a stranger on the forums even helped me get Thorn back when I was a newb and couldn't solo it, in part due to getting disconnected from the last mission step. :P Whereas D2 is just the same aggravation all over again, only by now, I expect Bungie to know better and to do better... and they never did. $500 million from Activision, and they couldn't sort out dedicated servers in all that time? Pshaw!

You guys are blind. Quality over quantity. I don't care how many piles of shit you can find to do in D2 it's all shit. And if bungie didn't make every topic magically disappear off the forums on day 3 you would be able to see a comparison of the complaints Some are identical like QOL issues, Servers, Cash grabs etc. your not gonna be able to go back in time and find as many this isn't FUN like this version of D2.

D1 did have its issues, especially in the first year, because Bungie tore up their entire game just barely 12months previously, they made a Frankensteins monster out of what was looking like an amazing game. Bungie then made huge mistakes by invalidating vanilla gear in the first DLC after Forever 29. Forums were full of complaints, but they were usually valid, 8 months of Thorn ruining pvp comes to mind. The community was more helpful, lfgs were full of folk willing to help inexperienced players run VoG, Crota, Kings Fall ect, very little "kwtd" after 2 days of a new raid. With the exception of those that did say they wanted to speed run through it ect and gradually Gjallarhorn became the big requirement. But D2 has been catastrophically bad, from changing the whole character skill trees and basically resting all previous character progress apart from appearance, after the initial launch, pvp was terrible in its 4 v 4 format, Trials barely lasted, it got stale rather quickly, the subsequent 2 dlc were so lacklustre that the player base dwindled to its lowest(till now) raid lairs, especially on console were buggy. Forsaken gave it a 2nd wind and showed us just what Bungie are capable of producing(even if it was with significant help) the annual pass content, singularly were pretty lacklustre although collectively added good lore (especially Drifters). But now we're seeing a vision of what Bungie now wants to produce, temporary content that's gone completely after 10 weeks or so, so unless you're a hardcore player, chances are could miss a huge segment of the progress story wise, say you come back next season after missing this... Wtf how's Saint-14 in Tower running Trials?