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Edited by Mythic, Harbinger of Light: 11/24/2019 5:58:29 PM
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Bottom tree Dawnblade is dead next season. Can it just be replaced with Sunsinger now?

Taken from a previous TWAB: [spoiler][quote]Dawnblade—Attunement of Flame (Bottom Path) Everlasting Flames: Changed the kills for the diminishing returns by splitting them out between players and combatants. [b][u]Previously it was 30 kills. Now it is 21 combatant kills[/u][/b] or 7 opposing Guardian kills (opposing Guardians count 3x toward diminishing returns) [b][u]Tuned the amount of Super energy returned per kill[/u][/b].[/quote][/spoiler] Taken directly from the most recent TWAB: [spoiler][quote]To accomplish our goals of reworking the air superiority role, we needed to differentiate the two Daybreak paths from one another. As such, [b][u]we reduced the speed at which Burst Glide accelerates players in Daybreak[/u][/b]. We know this is a controversial change but we wanted to reserve the air superiority gameplay with Attunement of Sky and the Burst Glide speed was blurring the lines between both Daybreak paths.[/quote][/spoiler] Reason to just replace bottom tree altogether: [spoiler]We can all agree that the bottom path has no neutral game. That’s because everything in that path is focused directly into the Super. Nerfing any part of it without fixing its neutral game, makes it useless. Everyone loved Sunsinger and it was balanced in the Crucible. It’s a win-win situation. Besides, what’s a better to way to praise the Sun than by using it?[/spoiler] Edit: 2 I’m NOT asking for Self-Rez back, just Radiance! “Attunement of Radiance” D1 Sunsinger tree: Super - Radiance Melee ability - Scorch Trait 3 - Viking Funeral Trait 4 - Touch of Flame [b][u]Radiance[/u][/b]: Fill yourself with Solar light, dramatically increasing the effectiveness of all your abilities. [b][u]Scorch[/u][/b]: Strike an enemy to ignite them, causing damage overtime. (Triggers Viking Funeral x3) [b][u]Viking Funeral[/u][/b]: Enemies afflicted with ignite take more damage from all sources. Stacks upto 3x. Weapon kills while Viking Funeral is active recharge your grenade energy (1/8 per kill). (Lasts 12 seconds, debuff only lasts for 5. Kills do not refresh the timer unless you used a grenade.) [b][u]Touch of Flame[/u][/b]: All Grenades ignite enemies, causing damage overtime. Gain an additional grenade charge. [b][u]NOTES:[/u][/b] If you haven’t played D1 then you probably don’t know what kind of Super Sunsinger is. Here’s a link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h2cZ7U2hXV4 Viking Funeral debuffs targets afflicted with burn damage for 5 seconds. Each stack increases the debuff against the target as follows: x1 is 10%, x2 is 15%, x3 is 25%. Viking funeral also increases the damage of your Grenades, (similar to how Roaring Flames works on Burning Mual), each stack increases your grenade damage as follows: x1 grants a 20% increase, x2 is 40%, x3 is 60%. The debuff from Viking Funeral is applied using your grenades and stacks with your Grenade damage increase. We also need another exotic for this Super: “Volcanic Radiance” Everlasting Fire - Radiance lasts longer. (Increases duration from 16 to 22 seconds) Edit 1: Also, please fix Warlock melee speed.

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  • Buffs are needed even if they DON’T bring back sun singer.

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    • Edited by Ericqs2: 11/30/2019 5:45:51 PM
      An addition to your post, there are TONS of nerfs that bungie OMITTED on this solar week. [b]Solar Week is an excuse to nerf and Warlocks are not gaining a single advantage on it.[/b] Consider Reading this, and Upvote so more people can see it. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/254502808?sort=0&page=0 Thanks!

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      • What was bottom tree again?

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      • Edited by idioTeo: 11/22/2019 7:37:55 AM
        I 100% agree, top dawnblade is also getting nerfed, this is so trash and tiring really But bottom now got a nerf on the only decent thing Oh, hunters recently cried about ohk ability and got it, we are still waiting for a -blam!-ing melee speed fix

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        • No... remove top tree and rework that one completely. Leave the bottom tree alone. No self rez either. It did make allot of encounters in D1 easy. Also was the lead into allot of raid cheese.

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          • Bump.

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          • Bring back self Rez too. There is life beyond PvP. Self Rez was awesome in raids and all other PvE activities. Not a warlock main but was sad to see they took self Rez away, no need to gimp the warlock like that.

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            • I hate to say this, but your proposed subclass would be broken as -blam-! Radiance and Scorch is okay, but Scorch might need to be reduced to keep your other stuff in check. First: - You get 2 Grenades that debuff Targets. This already makes this the only subclass to use for warlocks in PvE now. 2 Grenades that debuff Targets is ridiculous. Especially with solar Grenades as the burn duration would be added to the total grenade duration. - The current Grenade debuff for Oppressive darkness makes this the number one choice of mod this season. Not only do you have one, but you get 2 automatically. Second: - The Grenade recharge from killing enemies is a bit much, but having grenades be able to activate not only the debuff, but the bonus damage, extend the duration of Viking Funeral, and Increase your Grenade’s damage. - This basically would allow you to get your grenade back incredibly quickly and be incredibly strong not even accounting for mods. Third: - Radiance would be ridiculous with this as you would constantly have Viking Funeral at 3x, basically eliminate any need for Tether or other Debuffs in PvE. There is just so much wrong with this... As much as I want to see Dawnblade get a buff, at least check your possibilities before posting. This is overkill in every sense. To make it not broken: - Remove the second Grenade - Reduce the Grenade damage bonus from 110% to 50% at max to prevent the DPS of Radiance at max with fusion Grenades to not be the easiest and highest damage in the game. This may require even further adjustment but you need to at least try to make it balanced.

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              • Dawnblade was getting only nerfs for 2 years straight that left you wondering why they did that for 3 weeks. And now we finally got a buff and all they do is this? Bottom Dawnblade is still useless in any activity!!! It has no neutral game and the super got nerfed so many times that I've lost count!

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              • Edited by DeathPony07: 11/24/2019 12:22:41 PM
                I'd rather play Sunsinger than Dawnblade. Here's why.

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              • Remove self res and its all fine. That was the absolute meta in trials in D1 and was really overpowered since you would finish killing a warlock and then pop, your now facing a warlock with oversheild and a super active while you are low on health

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                • This post deserves more upvotes i want my sunsinger back man like its all i want in this godforsaken oem hell

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                • No, stop asking for that garbage ass resurrection bullshit. -blam!-ing pleb

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                  • what do you mean it's dead? just because it isn't going to fly across the map a million miles per hour and get all 7 kills every super now?

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                    • I mained a Warlock in D1. I chose to main a Titan in D2. I made the right choice.

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                    • Also bring back praxic fire with self rez :)

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                      • It will be fine

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                        • And they still haven’t fixed warlock melee speed so they clearly don’t like warlocks lol

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                        • Bring back self Rez

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                          • I would like the melee to also have Flame Shield. That would be a strong tree and make Warlocks a lot more potent in crucible.

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                            • Bungie .....Warlock self res is our God given right! Bring it back!

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                              • Oh how I miss running my Sunbreakers with Solar grenade and blinding my fireteam members in a curtain of flame. . . and supporting the strike/nightfall objective too I guess. Also miss resurrecting myself, cause I'm not gonna lie, I did a loooooot of stupid stuff in game. Punch a curse thrall check, punch any and all explosive canisters, check, see if I could kill my fireteam with time breakers overboost, check. XD So to have that option back again would be ultimately nice. Though as it stands, I rarely use the solar subclass much anymore.

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                              • I miss throwing grenades like they were candy. Here’s a grenade for you, and a grenade for you, and one for you...

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                                • Don’t forget our melee speed is still slower than Titans and Hunters

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                                • Edited by WulfPak666: 11/23/2019 8:54:31 PM
                                  Heck, just combine top and bottom Dawnblade into one and add Radiance as a new tree :) I can do without self rez though.

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                                  • I miss my radiance :( .. seriously that super should’ve been left the same. I hate dawnblade there was nothing like a surprise revive and throwing those beautiful orbs of death at foes .

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