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This broke my heart and I hated doing it, but being the Clan Leader you must do what is best for the Clan and all the other members!

🚨 A bout a year ago I ran into and befriended a gamer with Down syndrome. I think that he was doing a public event solo until I joined in. When it was over he friend requested me followed by a chat request. I accepted both and we got to talking. He proceeded to tell me that every Clan he has ever been in eventually kicked him out and mostly made fun of him, because of his disabilitie. Often calling him the R word. My Grandfatherly instincts kicked in and I felt so bad for him. He blurted out his age and started to tell me his life's story to which I cut him off and told him hey buddy this is the internet and you NEVER give out information like that. Never tell anyone on the internet any personal information about yourself. No real names or anything like that. So I prevented him from spilling the beans about himself. Since I am a Clan Leader I said I tell you what buddy You can join my Clan and nobody will be mean to you! In fact respect for others is a clan rule as well as no racism and other common sence rules. I even went one step further to make him feel better about himself and made him a Clan Admin with the Understanding that before he recruited or kicked someone he had to talk to me first. He responded with for reals and I said sure buddy you can make good friends here. Now in all honesty the Kid was a very good gamer. Now even though I new he was 26 years old his maturity level I would put at about age 14. As we all gamed with him we found out that he knows everything about Destiny inside and out and was very helpful at first to the clan members. I did clue everyone in about his disabilitie and made a point to tell new members as well and made sure that all treated him with kindness. For almost a year things worked out and everyone did their best to listen and understand him. Now he could speak fairly well, but tended to ramble a bit. No big deal. If you took the time and were patient with him you could learn things about the game that were helpful. Now over the last few months things started to take a turn for the worse with our little buddy. He became hostile and nasty towards others when he did not get his way. F bombing clan members and making crazy threats toward others that he Imagined wronged him in some way. I was able to put out a few fires and calm him down. Invited those that he went off on into the chat and worked things out. He was sorry and all was forgiven. We all understood that he was disabled and had other issues going on in his life that we could only imagine were not great. Destiny is all he really had going for him and he plays it almost every waking moment. So again standing orders were be kind to him and try to put yourself in his shoes before you say something stupid in response to something he said or did that was childish and immature. Last night however was too much! Our little buddy went full blown Psychotic and was uncontrollable. At the time this all went down I was not with him and or group he was in. I was not in their chat. ☎️ I got an emergency message that we need you to stop what you are doing and come now there is a huge problem and we need you old man! I walked into an Atomic explosion of total insanity! Little buddy was screaming and cursing and the sounds of him trashing his room and losing it were over the top! He even want crazy banning clan members that I had to apologize to and reinstate. I even promoted to of the wrongfully banned members to Admins that I was going to do so anyway. I tried to calm him down like before. Now over time I found out he had other mental issues going on that he takes meds for. I asked him if he was off his meds. Said you need to take a breath. Chill out. That is when he just went 100% Bucknutty on me and the F Bombs came flying at me! 😥 As much as I hated to do it I had to ban him from the Clan and block him as a friend. Had to let all clan members in on what went down and maybe they would be wise to follow suit. Made me very said and broke my heart to do it, but I can't have that kind of thing going on! My job as Clan Leader is to keep order and make sure that our ranks are filled with active respectful members. Drama needs to be shutdown fast! When you log onto Destiny you just want to have fun with your friends and relax. Unchecked and ignored this kind of thing could make your clan fall apart. So in conclusion even though you may feel bad for someone and their Circumstances you can never let that Be turned into a weapon of manipulation against you. Bottom line is you are the Clan Leader and you must do what is best for the greater good of all. Also this is a game and not your responsibility to be the Knight in shining Armor. Being kind and understanding has its limits! 🚨
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  • I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread since you said people could figure out who you are talking about and that your post appears to share their personal information. While the role of being a Clan Leader is a tough one, sharing a recent experience on a public internet forum isn't the best move here and could deter people from wanting to join your clan in the future. Rise above this and learn from the experience.

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  • If he functions at the level of 14 year old then he understands the concept of limit setting and consequences. You did the right thing for both him and your clan. What can sometimes happen with special needs kids is that their parents (understandably) raise them from a perspective of pain and guilt. So they demand too little from the children in terms of socialization and behavior. IOW, while there may truly be a medical basis for his outburst...they may also be a learned behavior...and he may have simply been allowed to use those outbursts as a means of getting what he wants. Rather than being held accountable for it. If this is the case, you can see that it’s not really doing him a favor.

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  • I agree, Bungie should nerf Recluse! [spoiler]The relevance of my comment to your post is about as relevant as the post itself. No need to air your dirty laundry in the forums.[/spoiler]

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  • Down Syndrome is defined as a disorder that impairs intellectual and mental development. You banned a clan mate for having a mental breakdown, when this is the type of behavior that is common with disorders such as this. Did you bother contacting anyone local to where he lived to check up on him? Maybe the local law enforcement for advice on how to handle the situation? Because "telling him to calm down" is like telling a deaf person to listen harder. It doesn't work like that. And what do you do in the end? Kick him for having a disorder. What a saint you are. I've encountered many people with disorders in my life, and have always found ways to communicate with them. Give OP a free emblem guys. What. A. Saint.

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    • I love how the first initial comments support the post and you but once it got more noticed the number of opposition just skyrockets.

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    • I think dude got pissed at being called “little buddy” one too many times and flipped... I don’t blame him.

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    • Why not post his ss# and address, your post is not for the puppies or friendship but maybe some self absorbed idea.....

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    • Wow i cannot believe how toxic some of the people replying to this forum post are. In the main, I’d say you did the right thing, giving someone who clearly is struggling a chance. When it got out of hand, you did the right thing blocking him and removing him from the clan. I can only really say two things about this that you maybe should have done better; - Don’t give admin right from the start as it is a position that should be earned. More importantly though, it’s a position that should only be given to people whom you can trust not to abuse it - Don’t post it here. I know you were probably looking for support from the community, but there are many people here who will just make you feel worse about yourself. You did the right thing with regards to this guy, don’t beat yourself up about it.

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    • Oh goody, yet another post from you either about how clans should be run or look how good I am at running a clan. How awesome of you to step into that "emergency call" about how "we need you old man" and sort thing out in your imaginary little tale. I look forward to your next dribble of self love you boring spunk trumpet.

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      • Respect others and no racism.... what do you even do in this clan then?

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        • first rule of the internet: dont give out personal information. second rule of the internet: never try to justify a decision with a post about it. Commenters will rip you apart no matter what you did good or bad.

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        • You did the right thing. As a Clan Leader myself, I completely understand this type of situations as I have had my fair share of them as well. I also have had multiple members with various types of mental disorders (we all have some type to one degree or another); and we have had a grand time hanging out together. But every once in a while, a situation like this appears and you have to choose the greater good for the clan, and as much as it hurts to say goodbye to a good fireteam mate, it is best for all in the long run. I have seen both sides of the coins, as some people are not very understanding and become very toxic when they realize who is in their fireteam; these people have also been shown the door for their intolerance. And that goes for anybody in the clan. We value maturity over age, because we have met kids who are mature beyond their years and grown adults who never evolved beyond 8 y.o. Unfortunately you can only do your best to put everything on the scales before making a decision, and I applaud you for making the right call even though it hurts

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          • Edited by Azur_Fenix: 10/25/2019 3:46:11 PM
            Loonies belong in the loony bin for a reason. WTF we allow them to run free instead of locked in padded room now a days is beyond me. Crazies should stay locked up till they are mental stable, if that is never possible? Then for the good of themselves and others they should STAY locked up. PERIOD full stop. Also as well imo they shouldn't be allowed to have kids; mental illness can be passed on, i think we have enough -blam!-ed up people and don't need more as it is. Bad enough that dumb people have kids.

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            • Well the first mistake you made was given him Admin. Should be something to actually work for. Second was not enforcing the clan rules. And third was posting about it here to gain validation for the mistakes you made. Own up, learn and move on.

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            • Edited by YATM: 10/25/2019 1:14:03 PM
              This the problem with many online "friendships." They are often not friendships at all. Online friends thinking KD about clears instead of thinking about being a good friend. The young man obviously crossed a line and banning/warning was appropriate. But to cut him completely off and not give a path to redeem himself and or apologize was wrong. We all have our bad nights. We all have times when our imperfections come out. We all have times when our real world spills into our game world. But that's when our friends set us right. They hold us accountable, but they don't cast us aside the first time we aren't perfect. You let that young man down. You were never really his true friend. I have a family member with Down Syndrome. If you cannot be there for the good days and bad days [u][b]stay the -blam!- out of their lives in the first place[/b][/u]. He isn't a -blam!-ing mascot, "your little buddy" or a badge for you to demonstrate how magnanimous you and your buddies are. He is a person. Sorry to be harsh, but I call 'em like I see 'em.

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              • Can’t believe I just read all that. Sounds like you did the kid a favor. I’d take his -blam!-s over your psychotic need for attention any day.

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              • Probably the only long post I actually read in full. Sounds like you kept a nice neat line between professional and friend relationship :)

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                • Yowzer!! really crappy situation but you did what you had to do.

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                • Edited by Madmartiigan: 10/25/2019 5:09:09 AM
                  He sounds like a rotten egg. No place in Destiny community for monsters like him.

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                  • I've experienced a similar situation a few times. You did well guardian.

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                    • [quote]🚨 A bout a year ago I ran into and befriended a gamer with Down syndrome. I think that he was doing a public event solo until I joined in. When it was over he friend requested me followed by a chat request. I accepted both and we got to talking. He proceeded to tell me that every Clan he has ever been in eventually kicked him out and mostly made fun of him, because of his disabilitie. Often calling him the R word. My Grandfatherly instincts kicked in and I felt so bad for him. He blurted out his age and started to tell me his life's story to which I cut him off and told him hey buddy this is the internet and you NEVER give out information like that. Never tell anyone on the internet any personal information about yourself. No real names or anything like that. So I prevented him from spilling the beans about himself. Since I am a Clan Leader I said I tell you what buddy You can join my Clan and nobody will be mean to you! In fact respect for others is a clan rule as well as no racism and other common sence rules. I even went one step further to make him feel better about himself and made him a Clan Admin with the Understanding that before he recruited or kicked someone he had to talk to me first. He responded with for reals and I said sure buddy you can make good friends here. Now in all honesty the Kid was a very good gamer. Now even though I new he was 26 years old his maturity level I would put at about age 14. As we all gamed with him we found out that he knows everything about Destiny inside and out and was very helpful at first to the clan members. I did clue everyone in about his disabilitie and made a point to tell new members as well and made sure that all treated him with kindness. For almost a year things worked out and everyone did their best to listen and understand him. Now he could speak fairly well, but tended to ramble a bit. No big deal. If you took the time and were patient with him you could learn things about the game that were helpful. Now over the last few months things started to take a turn for the worse with our little buddy. He became hostile and nasty towards others when he did not get his way. F bombing clan members and making crazy threats toward others that he Imagined wronged him in some way. I was able to put out a few fires and calm him down. Invited those that he went off on into the chat and worked things out. He was sorry and all was forgiven. We all understood that he was disabled and had other issues going on in his life that we could only imagine were not great. Destiny is all he really had going for him and he plays it almost every waking moment. So again standing orders were be kind to him and try to put yourself in his shoes before you say something stupid in response to something he said or did that was childish and immature. Last night however was too much! Our little buddy went full blown Psychotic and was uncontrollable. At the time this all went down I was not with him and or group he was in. I was not in their chat. ☎️ I got an emergency message that we need you to stop what you are doing and come now there is a huge problem and we need you old man! I walked into an Atomic explosion of total insanity! Little buddy was screaming and cursing and the sounds of him trashing his room and losing it were over the top! He even want crazy banning clan members that I had to apologize to and reinstate. I even promoted to of the wrongfully banned members to Admins that I was going to do so anyway. I tried to calm him down like before. Now over time I found out he had other mental issues going on that he takes meds for. I asked him if he was off his meds. Said you need to take a breath. Chill out. That is when he just went 100% Bucknutty on me and the F Bombs came flying at me! 😥 As much as I hated to do it I had to ban him from the Clan and block him as a friend. Had to let all clan members in on what went down and maybe they would be wise to follow suit. Made me very said and broke my heart to do it, but I can't have that kind of thing going on! My job as Clan Leader is to keep order and make sure that our ranks are filled with active respectful members. Drama needs to be shutdown fast! When you log onto Destiny you just want to have fun with your friends and relax. Unchecked and ignored this kind of thing could make your clan fall apart. So in conclusion even though you may feel bad for someone and their Circumstances you can never let that Be turned into a weapon of manipulation against you. Bottom line is you are the Clan Leader and you must do what is best for the greater good of all. Also this is a game and not your responsibility to be the Knight in shining Armor. Being kind and understanding has its limits! 🚨[/quote] This thread breaks COC by revealing personal information (Age/Medical Information) of the player being discussed. It also could be locked just for all the mockery of handicapped people that is going on in the replies.

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                      • As a former clan leader that just recently disbanded a clan, I don't agree with you posting this at all. Someone may know who this is etc

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                        • shame on you for posting this, I'm disgusted at you. I sincerely hope the guy concerned isn't a member of this forum

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                        • Why would you post this?

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                        • You are not fit to be a clan leader

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                          • Go stroke your ego in your clan chat. This post craves attention lol.

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