The only pvp changes I'd like to see let autos and scouts be abit more viable and comp needs handicap stat loss prevention but yea luna and nf got hit way to hard purely because they were consistent

Who cares if you’re good or bad at PvP. Just do dumb shit in the game and am have fun. What ever happened to having fun in a game. For example, 3 days ago all I did was Shoulder Charge and attempt to kill someone with a sword without ammo. I went negative and placed 2 to last 🤷‍♂️. Top player on my team msged to me leave the game if you’re that bad garbage. Next game I was on the opposing team and decided you know what I’m going to bag the shit out of that warlock. And so I did every time I killed him. At the end of the game I dropped a 46 defeated and the warlock dropped a 12 defeated. I msged back “you should leave if you’re garbage”. lol he wanted to 1v1 me but nah I don’t play gay peekaboo especially with garbage players. lol it’s 2019 what is a 1v1 gonna prove?

And that’s why I avoid crucicrap altogether. Arrogant people like you.

Difference is good players are now beating others with weapons that can be countered where as NF couldn't in a primary fight.

If you suck at Crucible, read this. [spoiler] Crucible Etiquette 1. Follow through on the match. We get it, you join a crucible game, get your brain smashed in, and hold down the director button to quit. Please please please Continue the game. This is huge in Comp, because So many times have I seen 2-3 rounds get basically thrown, and all of a sudden your team has a sip of coffee, and makes an insane comeback. Quitting doesn't even give that team a chance, and is SO discouraging. 2. REVIVE. Self explanatory, Hold X or Square. Be a team player, Just do it. 3. Team layout/map awareness Know where your team is, push with them, withdraw with them. Know when the spawns flip. This is huge in ANY gamemode. Running solo is asking to get a Fusion to the face, unless you have super, then pop that baby and fly. Spawn flipping is a serious way to get an edge on another team- if you can predict it. If your buddies are behind enemy lines, doing work, 9/10 spawn is about to flip, make sure you can predict this, and you can guarantee the enemies location for a period of time. Great way to take advantage of Lanes. 4. Dont be a Heavy main Always share heavy ammo. Pick it up once, let your team grab it after. Sometimes you think you will do work with your Machine gun, go for it, get those kills. But no one, and I mean NO ONE, likes to have heavy stolen every. single. time. Dont be the guy to run to heavy in the last 3 seconds of the timer and Yoink it from someone who was waiting for it. Thats just mean, dont be mean. 5. Dont be a -redacted- Play with the mindset that you are in a team activity, and to win, you have to stick with your team. This is huge in most gamemodes, but specifically Control, which is entirely objective based, and requires teamwork to win. Not everyone can be in voice comms, so make it your mission to push for Zones with your team, and to clear zones with your team. Playing as a team can make control games last 5 minutes. 6. Use supers Wisely Your whole team has super? Your titan just popped hammers, DONT POP YOURS. Always stagger supers. Always always always!!!!! If you are playing with Blueberries, I get it, ya both hit bumpers at the same time. F in the chat for that. But when you have communication, and can easily call out super use, Always stagger supers. The kill potential is huge when you use supers right, and can seriously disrupt any rhythm the enemy team has going. [/spoiler]

What you guys will seemingly never understand is that people who suck and/or dont want to play crucible will never care about the fallout of our complaining. None of it matters to us. We dont want to get better. We don't want to be in there. So honestly seeing stuff get nerfed and the tryhards get all itchy and whiny every time it happens is the only way we can beat you and it makes me smile every time I read one of these posts.

I blame my connection, although my skills are, admittedly, lacking. It's why I'll never have The Last Word. Whose bright idea was it to lose progress on a QUEST. No MMO's do that for a REASON.

I agree with your topic title, but i dont agree with your reasoning. Whenever I get killed by a last word or austringer or whatever in a 1 v 1, I get outplayed. I dont get mad, thats fine, its fair, because those guns dont give an idiotic damage buff for simply firing it. Getting killed by a LH always felt cheesy.

... You're kidding right? The same people who used to run DRB and Luna/NF, are mediocre right now, yes they had "so much skill" Luna and NF made shit players good, good players top tier, and top tier players unstoppable, you can't say in the slightest that the guns don't play a significant factor into it... [spoiler]not included in the DLC[/spoiler]

Or the connection

The pinnacle weapons kinda made the shit players untouchable.

Well then let's just give all the top players 900 rpm sniper rifles with a 999 round clip and a 2x zoom, because "they'd win anyway" RIGHT? Lol... they were too strong. Don't be dumb.

I just dont play PvP. Its not worth my time nor do I find it enjoyable. If I want a PvP fix I go play other games.

Wow you hit the nail. And now since Nova Warp and spectral got nerfed- people are complaining about code of the juggernaut. I truly think many players do not understand balance- nor do they understand what u said as well.