Timers are just a cheap way to increase difficulty. Instead of engaging fights and mechanics they just slap a kick to orbit countdown on missions. Lazy and incredibly boring.

Thanks for a timer? What kind of [i][u]stupid[/u][/i] premise is that? How about thanks for [b]yet another damn mission [/b]where [b]you have to find other people[/b] to play with. it's not like there's any new content to use this bloody weapon in. I just wanted to take care of it and go to sleep but no soloing is Not practical at the moment. OH YEAH, SO MUCH THANKS /wtf

Timer is a good thing only because its the only difficulty setting the mission has, without it is less than a strike. It would have been cool if Destiny was about speed runs, it isn't, or if bungie hadn't already show us that they can make difficult and spectacular work without slapping a timer on it. I am all in for a difficult mission, a timer isn't the way to go, it only breeds cheesing, skipping and paid carries, i know unpopular opinion.

Shattered Throne didnt' need one to be a challenge.

Don’t defend timers. Timers suck. Period. Timers are a game developer’s way of saying “we don’t want to actually put thought into the encounter so here are a bunch of obstacles and a time limit, don’t fck up!” But hey, it’s great that you had fun. At least someone is.

If you were able to The the gun in the first game the timer shouldn’t be an issue.

[quote]Designing a Multiplayer Game at every aspect around Solo Players worsen the main appeal of the game itself. If it is so easy nobody would care.[/quote]Literally all they have to do is add group finding/making features [u]into the game.[/u] This isn't a hard concept to grasp as the problem, and yet it is still missing because "please download our app or use our website for the love of god."

[quote]First of all, Thank you Bungie for this awesome mission, i liked it alot and will continue to enjoy it in the weeks to come. Now to the topic: I see a lot of people complaining about the timer (in ZH and in Whisper). Personaly i think it is good that the mission has one. The developers dont hand another exotic randomly to the community, like almost every other exotic. You have to earn it, by showing some kind of mastery in combat and acrobatic. If you're one of those guys, who dont wanna play with others, thats your choice. You can do it alone (less than 24h after release there are already Solo Flawless runs online) It will not kill you to search for a group on the Bungie LFG or reddit. You dont even have to talk to those people 90% of the time, nor do you have to add them to your friendlist. Just invite them to your fireteam and go for a 20 minute run. It wont kill you. Designing a Multiplayer Game at every aspect around Solo Players worsen the main appeal of the game itself. If it is so easy nobody would care. And yes i know, the Solo Player in Multiplayer games is normal not exception. But you're giving yourself a handicap, dont ruin the fun for others if you cant handle it. TLDR: Games like Destiny should not balance entirely around Solo-Players and stay with their Main appeal of coop. Edit: For the ones saying the timer has no lore implication whatsoever, You're interfering with an Fallen raid party in the cryptarch vault, that are about to escape. aka in 20 minutes these guys are gone. You can see that in the mission description where the counter runs down. There it says "enemy Target exfiltration" Edit2: Who genuinly thinks he will not be able to get the weapon, bc of the Timer and plays on PC, hit me up. Iam playing on EU, but with some coordination i can be online on NA times aswell. BT is G4rvielL0ken#2603 We go through the mission together in your pace. I will NOT boost you through the mission, but i show you little tips for jumping etc, which will help you not just with this mission, but with jumping in general.[/quote] 1) The idea of “handing out an exotic” if there isn’t a timer is a false concept. Wish Ender isn’t handed out even though the shattered throne doesn’t have a timer. This is just setting up the blatant elitism that this post is grounded in. 2) It can be done solo isn’t an argument. Just because content creators can do something doesn’t have anything to do with the experience of the other 99% of players who the game should also be designed for. 3) Maybe what you really want is separate versions of these missions that have different ornaments as rewards that way you can show off your skills in game by wearing the ornament that says you did the timer version, or the solo version, or the solo timer version. 4) Why do you care so much if other players enjoy the game AND get the OP?

Now almost every Youtuber out there is now promoting the Cheese method which goes to show that maybe timers aren't the answer

[quote]The developers dont hand another exotic randomly to the community[/quote] Exactly. This is why Borderlands 3 will fail miserably, because they don't seem to understand that fun has no place in video games. Using fun weapons is not a right, it's a privilege that only the top elite of the elite should get to experience. B3 is gonna be a clusterfuuck of people wandering around using fun weapons and having fun, and that's just plain sad. [spoiler]<sarcasm></sarcasm>[/spoiler]

I agree, working on getting the gun myself. Exotics shouldn't be handed out. Need to work for them.

No timers are -blam!-ing dumb and if you like them you're dumb to

To those saying that its a lazy way of implementing difficulty, sure it’s not complicated to make but it does it’s job very well. There is a reason that pretty much every shooter has a mission with a timer.

So then crucible pentacle weapons should have a K/D tied to them like must have a 1.5 to use.

D2 launched with NF timers. And no one liked them. Timers are not "good things". Timers dictate play. They tell the player they can not actually enjoy the time they are playing because unless they get to the finish line within a set amount of time they will have essentially wasted their time. And anyone who feels like they are "wasting their time" in a video game will probably not play it for very long...