A 12 gauge slug is one of the most high inertia rounds available to typical citizens without special permits for more exotic firearms. What they lack in velocity they over compensate for by having very high mass. A 12 gauge slug, while only reliably accurate to about 35 yards, is effective for bringing down large game up to 100 yards, depending in the performance affecting parameters of the weapon and the saboted slug shell itself. A typical 12 gauge slug will cause much more extensive damage to body tissues than a typical high velocity hunting rifle round. They are also notoriously hard to stop. While a high velocity rifle round will typically fragment as well as tumble once it enters tissue, mostly due to the extreme velocity relative to mass, which does funny physics when it hits tissue, a 12 gauge slug will just keep going, with little initial fragmentation and little change in trajectory. It would pop your head like a cherry tomato, do the same to the next guys head, pass through a couple of your homes drywall layers and punch a giant hole in the chest of the third victim, while he was just looking in the fridge for a snack. Regular 12 gauge 0/0 buckshot is lethal to humans at 50 feet as well. Quite easily. It also has mucho stopping power. Large caliber hand guns are all very deadly at D2 map distances, though that doesn’t imply accurate at those furthest distances. It’s actually fairly consistent with reality that D2 Hand cannons have bloom when fired rapidly. It would be much less real if they had no bloom when fired rapidly. That being said, it’s a game, not a combat simulator. Bloom is a joke, and poorly done imo.

The sweats and trytards tend to stick to quickplay due to getting butthurt by people of the same skill set as them.

You're using Telesto...

It’s been trash. It gets worse every year.

Nerf nerf nerf pvp cries cries pvp player base is so small u guys are on the back burner

Get farmed.

Is this bait?

Even the highest range handcannons start losing effectiveness at around 40-50 meters.

Blame the crappy map design. Near everything is close quarters.

Map design is *[b]THE[/b]* biggest problem in this game right now... I don't mind shotguns, but maps are very very stale right now

Connection issues , poor hit detection at times, easy to use weapons, boat load of special ammo, poor weapon balancing same old same old. If they didnt make the time to kill so slow d2 at the beginning might of been ok since it took a bit more skill then just firing gernades rockets etc.

The maps are the biggest problem. All of them are just close combat with hallways and turns everywhere. Theres barely a couple of places where you can use anything else if you wanna get a kill...

I just played a round of iron banner where i had to hit a guy 4 times with my titans striker super to kill him. Last night i shoulder charged right through a guy, did zero damage, and then he just 1 tapped me with a shotgun. I also just unloaded a 50 round clip from wave splitter into a guys face and he somehow dropped me first using an autorifle. Got put against a 4 stack last night, my team got creamed, they said they'd break up those teams for a better match, very next match was another 4 stack and got creamed again. And everything i just mentioned isn't a rare occurence. Keep up the great work bungie and don't address any of the issues people have been mentioning for months now, assholes. Also, could someone please do something about the -blam!-ing shotguns. I mean Jesus -blam!-ing Christ, every person i play against is using one and it's getting real old real quick. Sorry for the rant but all i use these forums for is to vent.

Hmmmm, I think the bigger problem is some people quitting the match in the middle or in the beginning. 6 on 6 we started with 6 but just few minutes later we are 5 against 6. Yesterday in gambit another person and I joined one poor dude who was going 1 against 4.

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Nah u