All this endless talk of MIDA, MIDA, MIDA. 32% of all Trials kills are MIDA! 94% of PvP teams have a MIDA! Yadda, yadda, yadda Okay, it's a good weapon. It's always been a good weapon. In vanilla Destiny when everyone HAD to have Suros, it could destroy it. When it became the meta in TTK and got nerfed, it remained great. Why? It's the RADAR. Funny story no one ever has wanted to acknowledge as plausible. Thorn in it's prime was easy AF to counter and defeat. My most successful PvP era was Thorn. Again, why? IT'S THE RADAR I spent a few hours and 90K glimmer re-rolling my NA3D1 Salvation State until it had Full Auto + 3rd Eye + Explosive Rounds. It owned the living shit out of Thorn (and most everything else). [quote]But Thoooooooooorn[/quote] The masses screamed. [quote]Nothing can touch it's time to kill! It's impossible![/quote] Was the follow-up. Except I was firing before they rounded corners because of the persistent radar, staggering with the explosive rounds and generally -blam!-ing them up. I made many a post in D1 about the game not being played in a vacuum or on spreadsheets and that there were perks and variables that won't show up there that make huge differences in actual play. ARs were considered trash at that time, but the slow firing Abyss Defiant was able to keep pumping damage long after enemies had to reload. Yes there were great weapons in metas, but there were also counters to every single one of them. So back to MIDA and D2. Again, very good weapon. Better than any other? Not really. It's not the most accurate or the fastest TTK. It's very well balanced, but not overpowering. But it's got 3rd Eye and 3rd eye let's players [i]hardscope everything[/i] and in D2's 4v4 team shooting play, that equals you're going to get -blam!-ed and -blam!-ed hard if you peak lanes or try to go lone Wolf. Which isn't too say MIDA is unstoppable. There are MANY great weapons in D2 capable of tearing it up. I love Vigilance Wing, Nergal and Uriel's Gift, but the list is long. But I can also tell you right now, those awesome weapons (I'd take all 3 over MIDA) are exponentially better on my Hunter and paired with Knucklehead Radar. Destiny 2 PvP is about team play and like D1 PvP (and any shooter) it's also VERY much about map knowledge and awareness and knowing you're weapons that fit your playstyle and choosing those with perks that fit how you play, forming a strategy and sticking to it. For me at my peak that was lone Wolf, hardscoping my scout. For others it's been sliding with kneepads or running and gunning with shot package. So what's the point of all of this? The point is that Destiny 2 at the end of the day comes down to players ability to effectively use their class and weapons better (and smarter) than their opponents just like D1 was, but D1 devolved into a shit show of nerfs and revolving metas because rather than accepting personal accountability for play, it was much easier to blame the weapon. The problem with all the MIDA blaming is that all anyone needs to do to get one is complete a quest and the game will hand it right to you and if you think it's the end-all-be-all, go equip it and prove it. But there's the rub. Every team has them but there are not only still winners and losers, a disproportionate number of D2 matches are just shit show blowouts and it's plagued with quitting because it's not the gun, never has been. It's TEAMS whom are playing TOGETHER and COMMUNICATING and playing smarter, better and more effectively than their opponents.