The problems are the maps and the movement capabilities of our Guardians. It becomes pretty easy to close the short gaps on these maps.

I think shotguns are fine, it's the maps and play style of everyone. The maps have like a million entrances and exits they are like giant mazes. I mean for it to be competitive there needs to be less complexity. These just promote randomness. Half the time people are just coming from all sides. And more symmetry, what ever happened to simple maps with simple things on them that were well balanced? Maybe it isn't totally the maps fault but its for surely the play style of everyone. Just run around like a chicken with your head cut off flipping spawns everywhere. It's essentially free for all on any game type pretty much. Run til you see someone, get one kill, die, re spawn and repeat. Over and over. Gameplay this hectic and fast on these maps won't ever be fair and competitive, it's just too fast there's no thought or strategy put into it by most players.

I think the crucible is in a good spot overall I use both shot guns and snipers Of course i could nit pick but overall feels good

Shotguns get nerfed and a few people complain. Snipers get flinch added and all the crutch reliant camp-hards start crying.

I LOVE the new crucible

Sounds like you could use a chaperone.

It's still better than GD sniper camp fest. TTK should've been called The Tent King.

Read wall of text* Summary, it's time to adapt

Shotguns have been nerfed over 8 times... stop crying and enjoy the fast paced gameplay for once

I don't think shotguns are overpowered people that can kill you consistently with them are either having an amazing game or they are high skill players. I do not use a shotgun myself but I know this from people I know that shotgun. There is no need to complain about something that is easy to counter.

*reads thread title & ignores wall o'text, but checks stats ... most kills % catagory .. secondaries. most used secondary.. sniper....... nuff said.. except...... this guy needs to understand [b][u]he is the scrub [/u][/b] [quote]Introducing...the Scrub The derogatory term “scrub” means several different things. One definition is someone (especially a game player) who is not good at something (especially a game). By this definition, we all start out as scrubs, and there is certainly no shame in that. I mean the term differently, though. [u]A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. [b]A scrub does not play to win.[/b] [/u]Now, everyone begins as a poor player—it takes time to learn a game to get to a point where you know what you’re doing. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or “learn” the game, one can become a top player. [u]In reality, the “scrub” has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. He’s lost the game even before deciding which game to play.[b] His problem? He does not play to win.[/b] [/u]..................... [u]A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which one tries to win at all costs is “boring” or “not fun.” [b]Who knows what objective the scrub has, but we know his objective is not truly to win[/b].[/u] Yours is. Your objective is good and right and true, and let no one tell you otherwise. You have the power to dispatch those who would tell you otherwise, anyway. Simply beat them. Let’s consider two groups of players: a group of good players and a group of scrubs. [u]The scrubs will play “for fun” and not explore the extremities of the game. They won’t find the most effective tactics and abuse them mercilessly. [b]The good players will[/b]. [/u]The good players will find incredibly overpowering tactics and patterns. As they play the game more, they’ll be forced to find counters to those tactics. The vast majority of tactics that at first appear unbeatable end up having counters, though they are often quite subtle and difficult to discover ................... [u]The good players are reaching higher and higher levels of play. They found the “cheap stuff” and abused it. [b]They know how to stop the cheap stuff[/b]. They know how to stop the other guy from stopping it so they can keep doing it[/u].[/quote] http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub

I don't exactly agree with the accuracy of your information, but I have to agree that shotguns are being abused far too much right now.

Not many likes here lol.

All you had to do was say "buff fusions and sidearms and it would have been a double win, you won't cry about shotguns and buffs are the best"

I agree about conspiracy theory. Shotguns got nerfed, but then they make conspiracy theory easy to get, a shotgun that STILL has the range issues old shotguns had lol the problem wasn't fixed at all! I do disagree about shotguns in general. They are not hard to counter wth a fusion, because fusions have more range. Most of these players are predictable and always do the same. It's very easy to know what they will do or where they are, especially if you have a radar.