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Edited by RogueRossie:
4/6/2016 6:33:56 AM
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Nerf after nerf. Will it ever end?
It's always something. Always something considered over powered. And the solution everyone jumps to is to nerf that thing.
[i]Nerf, nerf, nerf[/i]. It will just make people target the weapons/abilities which have been left untouched because they were fine before the nerfing of their competitors.
[spoiler]An example:
MIDA Multitool. Throughout year 1, it was considered underwhelming. Some thought it needed a buff. It was just an average scout which made you run fast.
Bungie nerf handcannons and buff pulses, scouts and autos in the 2.0 update. MIDA is basically unchanged. Scouts start to get popular, people request a year 2 variant of MIDA Multitool.
They get it. Everyone snatches it as soon as possible and go straight into the crucible with it. A sudden spike in usage of the Multitool causes some to assume it is over powered, just because it killed them in PvP. Everyone hops on the band wagon and begin calling for the MIDA to be nerfed.
It's not killing any faster than before, but because it is being frequently used people just assume it is more powerful than it needs to be. The sole reason people think it's overpowered is because they got its previous competitors nerfed.
Wipe out the wolf, and the deer will thrive. Too many deer become a problem, so a cull might be a solution, or, just reintroduce the wolf.
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So I request this. Rather than reducing the power of everything until they are near useless, I suggest asking Bungie to [i]buff the things which can't compete with the "overpowered" guns/abilities[/i].
[b]Buff[/b] fusion rifles, sidearms and shotguns. Snipers are no longer overpowered.
[b]Buff[/b] Voidwalker, Defender, Bladedancer and Sunbreaker. Sunsingers and Stormcallers are no longer overpowered.
[b]Buff[/b] low/medium RoF auto rifles. High RoF autos (DoP) are no longer overpowered.
Disagree if you will, just don't use your anonymity as a means to allow for a derogatory or violent response.
Edit: [spoiler]Concerns over power creep: there should always be nerfs to prevent this, we don't want CoD style ttk's in Destiny, but this post aimed to show the crippling effect [i]too many nerfs[/i] are having on the game.
It's startling to me to hear people think snipers are overpowered as nobody really thought so until shotguns were nerfed, for example.
Here's hoping they don't nerf things too harshly in the update, but we'll all find out later on today.
Thanks for all of the kind responses, it's been great reading all of your replies :)[/spoiler]
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There was a post I was reading this morning and it was " yeah the warlock is op in 3vs3 because the dot in the firebolt is too much" most of the complains I see are about the warlock been to powerful in 3vs3.
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When people realize that it's just a video game and it's not that serious.
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Amen...ive said it before N ill say it again... If all weapons are op then no weapons are op... BUFF THE WORLD!
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1 ReplyAt this rate they'll stop nerfing when everything has become shit. Rather than do the smart thing and make everything good.
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kids are ruling/going to ruin the game...
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Warlocks do not need a nerf. I garuntee SunSinger will be shit in PVE because everyone cries in pvp. Bungie is going cater to all those crying little twats in pvp and ultimately kill this class in terms of PVE making warlocks useless. Like everything else they nerf, it becomes trash in PVE. Destiny isn't solely pvp. You guys need to realize PVE players suffer due to the nerfs
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3 RepliesI wish they would separate PvP nerfs from PvE. Things that work for PvP don't always work for PvE.
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4 RepliesI am also convinced something is always going to be OP to somebody.
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it will never end, until Jon Weircnewski and Sage Merrel leave Bungie. The sandbox teams gets the final call on what weapons get nerfed and what classes get nerfed Nobody else matters, not Cozmo, not Deej, not the playtest team, and certainly not the forums. You want things done differently? You will need to convince these two men.
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Edited by Red Motive: 4/5/2016 10:45:25 PMIt won't end until Bungie learns/cares how to balance a game.
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Edited by tricannon: 4/5/2016 10:04:51 PMToo bad they can't just make a test server crucible and just make adjustments based of feed back and continually messing with things that work and don't work. Atleast it's a platform where it's a rank less server just kind of experience new ideas perks and weapons before there introduced and directly or indirectly affect game play.
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The best & funniest this game has ever been is when the Mythoclast ran wild. I miss those days.
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Gonna say things don't necessarily need buffed either. Nerfs and buffs indirectly create the other, so realize it makes no difference. What's important is gameplay and whether things as they are maintain design goals. Doesn't matter whether it's a nerf or buff that gets us there, the end point is the same. Also I disagree with a sun breaker buff. I was playing with it yesterday. I got another multikill and since I was on mic I made sure to make fun of those asking for a buff or saying it's broken literally as I did it. That's because I know damn well how to play it and I knew I would succeed.
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Edited by WormChi: 4/5/2016 9:23:50 PMIt's a slippery slope with ttk. Eventually power curve will creep up and make Destiny like Counter Strike. That being said Bungie needs to learn to test and balance things before releasing them and having their hand forced on a nerf.
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5 RepliesEdited by Cowboysamurai369: 4/5/2016 6:01:14 PMI HAVE AWAITED A POST LIKE THIS!!! 1st. You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, nerfing something is unnecessary, if a weapon is too powerful, ok. Gally was an example of this; it sucked to get nerfed, but even so, it was understandable. Being better than Legendaries is the purpose of an Exotic. Being a tier above Exotic is too overwhelming for it to be fair. Not so much in PVP, that didn't happen too often. It was about the only hardcore example where a nerf could be understood, regardless of wanting it to be or not. *EXOTICS {every single one} SHOULD ALWAYS FEEL MORE POWERFUL THAN OTHER TIERS. Just not more so than other Exotics. DONT NERF EXOTICS/BUFF THE REST TO COMPENSATE A SCALE THEY STAND ABOVE LEGENDARY. 2. Everything you said about MIDA is correct. That is how and when you tell the difference between OG players & Y2 players. MIDA was always nothing more than an extremely well rounded & well BALANCED gun. It just had the great perk of speed boost that finally allowed Hunters (always a Hunter, for life. Even tattooed the Hunter symbol on my left hand. That's dedication.) to have an agreeable & useful effectiveness in a raid; Crota's End~ Lamps- Bladedancer/Don't Touch Me B*tch, Gloves/MIDA/full agility. MIDA getting a Y2 version & all the "Omg, I can take it to Crucible now!" was the dumbest thing I've ever heard. EXCEPT FOR LEVEL ADVANTAGES OFF, seeing as how PVP is based off of impact etc, you COULD ALWAYS HAVE TAKEN IT TO CRUCIBLE. For that matter, Patrol, and even the Dailies could have been done using Y1 weapons. It was just a bandwagon, perpetuated by mob mentality and Y2 players. Regardless, CALLING FOR NERFS OF A Y2 VERSION OF AN EXOTIC, WHEN Y2 VERSIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE STRONGER THAN ITS Y1 COUNTERPART (especially when Bungie knew it was never OP, and refused to nerf it in the first place) WILL NEVER HAPPEN AND SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. For that matter, you are still correct, in that- DONT NERF THE FEW~ BUFF THE MANY. Exotics MUST FEEL EXOTIC. Only if they make a new Tier~ Common Uncommon Rare Legendary Exotic Demonic/Godly/Beast/Devastating/Snowflake/Godmode/Beastmode/Ninja/CowboySamurai<:)/or whatever u wanna name it... Should Exotics be nerfed. Thx OP for making this post; I've waited a looong time for you to do so... & sorry 4 the Wall O' Text...
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Edited by Succ Fish: 4/5/2016 9:46:56 PMINSTEAD OF NERFING PVP WEAPONS BUFF WEAK ONES. [b][/b] INSTEAD OF NERFING PVE WEAPONS. [b][/b] [b][/b][b][/b] MAKE THE ENEMIES HARDER. AND I DONT MEAN MAKE THEM BULLET SPONGES!!!! [b][/b] [b][/b] DMNNRJEJ AAAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAA I AM SO TIRED OF NERFS. FNNFNRNFNMFMRNR [b][/b] HHHHHAAAAIAIIAIAIAILLLLLL [b][/b] VEX AND PI ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT NEEDED A NERF. A LITTLE NERF.
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You're right, this wouldn't be an issue if they updated MORE often. Slight buffs or nerfs at a time to test it
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The fact is there will ALWAYS be a better weapon. It is an online fps, its just how it is. Nerf this, buff this, oh wait we nerfed too much, sh1t we buffed too much. Balance is good but if people want every gun to be perfectly balanced we start getting into Halo territory. Generic assault rifle, generic pistol, generic smg and so on. Ive been playing online shooters since Rainbow six Raven Shield on pc back in 2004, always that one gun that owns.
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No, and it shouldn't I'm glad I'm not being killed in .2 seconds by tlw and thorn anymore.
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Lol its so funny cause they nerf arc bolt on blade dancer and basically make lucky raspberry pointless in the process. Guess what? Firebolts gonna look a lot better when you nerf other classes grenades. Your right 100%!
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Nope. It will keep on going until we shoot marshmallows
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1 ReplyEdited by kh3ll3dros: 4/5/2016 9:10:28 PMIt will end when bungie quits listening to idiots.
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I mean you act as if bungie has only ever nerfed weapons.
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9 RepliesHeres my two cents: Bungee made this game, they should never listen to the community on what needs to be nerfed/buffed. People as a whole aren't very intelligent, we tend to ask/do things selfishly, only to benefit ourselves. Lets be honest hardly any of us know anything about making a game, or balancing a pvp environment. That being said I understand nothing is created perfectly, some things will need reworking, its kinda like evolution. But the true crime here is that bungie actually seems to listen to you people instead of intelligently diagnosing the real problem. I'm a beta player with more hours logged probably then the 10 ppl below me (not bragging, just stating to give you an idea of my experience). Almost every gun that has been nerfed was complained about incessantly on the forums for weeks or months before it was nerfed. They have created a cancerous trend, ppl think if they ask for a Nerf enough "guys lets ask bungie blah blah blah" that bungie will do it, hell they EXPECT it to happen then get pissd off and make threats when bungie doesn't. And look what has happened to this awesome game because of it!!! So much has changed for the worse mainly because we constantly bitch and moan and bungee tries to keep us happy like parents tending to their needy children..... we can't rely on bungie to accurately solve a problem they created. So I ask you all to just let it be. Stop asking for nerfs, stop bitching and whining when a 1k stare or a thorn kills you for the millionth time. Just suck it up, put on your big boy pants and let it be. Our opinions and ideas ARE NOT HELPING the problem, I cringe every time I see a "how to fix blah blah blah" post.
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3 RepliesEdited by erakis1: 4/5/2016 9:10:39 PMYou know a game with no nerfs? Fallout 4 Why? No pvp Relevant fact: pvp ruins RPGs.
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Because Jon Weirznewski man...Jon weirznewski...
