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Edited by Ambo:
2/29/2016 3:43:11 AM
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Anyone agree Jon Weisnewski and Sage Merrill need to be fired?
These 2 guys have a terribly flawed concept of balance. They can't even properly balance anything. Whenever they "tweak" something, be it a weapon or a class, it gets COMPLETELY DESTROYED.
Weisnewski has shown the community he can't properly balance the game's weapons, there is always a "meta" for PvP because whenever he tunes weapons, one type always becomes useless and another becomes super overpowered, which everyone will proceed to use *cough* Thorn and shotguns *cough*
Merrill has already made a bad name for himself by completely obliterating the Sunbreaker subclass. While the subclass did in fact need to be toned down, Merrill took it too far and reduced the super to trash.
They need to be fired and replaced with people who grasp a better concept of balance, because Weisnewki and Merrill's concept of "balance" is "take something everyone likes and make it useless."
Edit: I'm not saying they should be fired from Bungie entirely, but they definitely shouldn't be part of the sandbox and balancing team.
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He reduced Hammer velocity by 1%, Reduced DR from 55% to 50% just like all the other supers and added a cooldown to the health regen, of which all other Regen abilities have (Save for Hungering blade), How did that in any way destroy it. all the changes are Miniscule Metas just Exist, Only way for there to be No meta is for all weapons to have the exact same stats, Its a sad reality (Although Metas are much more prevalent in destiny RN) They do need to make some changes though, all the balances are just focused on PvP, Not PvE at all
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Yep. Seems about right. Bring in two new guys who actually give a shit about the game.
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I think before a developer begin create a weapon or change something, he/she need to have some knowledge about them. And from what i saw, they havent a clue how work the weapons we using in this game. For exemple The last word (an handcannon) shoot more fast than an automatic rifle. Really? The sniper rifle work more well than an shootgun and a fusion rifle togheter... And more...
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Edited by D1eThx: 2/29/2016 9:53:38 AMHave you ever heard sage speak? He sounds like he's asleep, a heroin addict or just cant be bothered to even think while talking. He sounds like a guy who knows he's cool and has a cool job. Shame all his work is literally to listen to pvp players and destroy weapons in pve.
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2 RepliesFired? No. Do they need to be led better, and given less autonomy? Yes. Weisnewski is trying to get the game to abide by a definition of 'balance" that is non-sensical, and will never work. Merrill either doesn't understand or doesn't **respect*** the fact that PVE players have weapon needs that are just as legitimate as those for PVP. His infamous, "You can't balance 'bad-ass-ness'." Angered me like few other things that anyone from Bungie has ever said publicly. Both men are trying to impose a slow primary weapon TTK on the Crucible that is simply incompatible with the type of weapon system we have. It is the reason why Titanfall (which had a very similar system to Destiny's) was able to release a balanced weapon system for Titanfall practically on Day One. While we are nearly two years into Destiny (counting the alpha and beta), and we still don't have a Crucible that has a balanced weapon system, and most weapons (for PvE play) have been nerfed into a bland sameness. One that threatens to alienate the games PVE fanbase entirely. Especially if snipers and scout rifles get the usual Bungie nerf bat come the next weapon update. PVE players with be left without any weapons that actual KILL in a reasonable time frame.
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5 RepliesI don't have a clue as to the quality of the job they do.I don't know them.All I know is that my Titan's solar ability bounties shouldn't all of the sudden take longer to fill because pvp guys can't handle having to respawn more often than they think they should. I didn't spend all that time upgrading my sunbreaker class and learning how to hit things with that hammer from distance just to have it become useless.I don't go through all the trouble of upgrading my Mida to have the "hand of god" decide it's overpowered. Weapons and subclasses should NEVER be nerfed in pve.I don't care what reasons they think they have...You should not make the characters less capable of playing the game. A friend was watching me play a couple of weeks ago,and when he saw the golden hammer he just had to have it...so yesterday he texts me he bought Taken King.I haven't had the heart to tell him they rendered it next to useless.
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33 RepliesEdited by Morgana Nimueh: 2/28/2016 7:37:06 PMI've got a suggestion. Bungie should invite you to their headquarters so the you and your opinionated friends 'balance' the weapons instead. There you go everyone wins. Oh what's that? You can't code video games since that's one of the most difficult and tedious jobs out there. So you have to rely on those guys who already do that job. Maybe you should consider that before you author another nonsense post which you have no idea of what you are talking about.
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I think this is the worst state the multiplayer has been in since the fusion rifles in 1.0. I think Bungie is FAR too slow to respond to problems like snipers literally ruining PVP. I think the staff's internal processes need some redesign. I think we need more frequent minor tweaks and less "pendulum swing" changes to the weapon meta. If you look at the history of their updates to this game, anytime there's an exploit that actually helps players' progression, it's fixed almost immediately. How long did The Last Word and Thorn completely DOMINATE the Crucible? How long is this ridiculous sniping easy mode going to continue? I wish they'd at least come out and say whether or not they intend to fix it. Because if they don't, i'll just go ahead and check out now. I haven't played a multiplayer game as infuriatingly terrible as this current crap, in a long time.
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6 RepliesNo I don't agree that they should be fired. Their jobs are their livelyhood, im not trying to make someone broke and possibly homeless because "he messed up muh vidya games". I guess I have a better grip on reality than some people though.
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56 RepliesYou must be a child who has no concept of a career. You're asking that the lives of two men and their families be ruined because you don't like the guns in a video game. Your parents must be proud...
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I don't agree that they should be fired as they likely have families to support. However, they do need to "git gud" and turn this game around and learn from their mistakes. That spring content update needs to be released sooner rather than later. People are dropping this game left and right.
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Yeah they should be fired,because this community had much better "balance" ideas "Nerf any weapon that kills me" "Buff my main subclass and favorite weapon"
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i dont even know these two guys. but posts like this remind me of another game i used to play and destiny is also taking the same route. *cough* Dust 514 *cough* game is pretty much dead.. of course if dust had ever gotten pve. all the ppl playing might have abandoned its pvp section all together.
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Do you work mate? If you do how would you feel if everyone boycotted you to lose your job?
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All ever one does is cry over this game lol
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No. No I don't.
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5 RepliesThis is a very d bag heavy thread..why would you WANT someone to lose their job?
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Well, if they are the ones pushing the whole "keep things fresh by rotating the meta" idea then yeah, fire them. I tend to think that there are higher-ups giving them those directions though so I'm just thinking whoever thought of the rotating meta and whoever told them to destroy whatever weapon type they touch. Again, if it's all them then they need to go.
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6 RepliesThese days it's so easy to feel anger and maybe even hatred towards someone you feel is responsible for making your gameplay frustrating. You don't even see them as a person. Consider the context of that statement. Anger, rage and/or hatred specifically directed at an employee of a company who may (or may not) be responsible for creating a situation in a game that you (and many others) find frustrating. And people call for their firing. When the previous CEO left Bungie (for reasons unknown) the feedback forums here were abound with people rejoicing and hoping others would follow suit. For all we know he had an emergency and had to leave to take care of ailing family. And people here on the forums were happy, because to them they could only see the 'evil leader of team BungieVision who ruined a game they play' was leaving (YAY!!!)... It's so easy to wish for misfortune on someone when you can't see or hear from the person. I know because I was on the angry-hate-Jay-Wilson-train during his Diablo 3 days. I even went so far as to do some research and send an angry email to Jay Wilson when it was announced he was leaving the D3 team. Then a shocking thing happened. He responded... and he apologized and said he felt bad for having caused a player of his game to react the way I did. I realized that Jay Wilson is a human with feelings and emotions. When I was angry I viewed him as manipulative figure behind a corporate wall. When he responded to my email it was clear to me that my rage was misplaced. The only thing we (as players) see of people like SageM, JonW, LukeS, etc is a tiny snippet of the human they really are when they present information about Destiny to the player base. After Luke's 'throw money at screen' comment back at HoW days I thought he was a jerk. Then he was a guest on Planet Destiny Podcast #38. Hearing him talk about his enthusiasm for the game and how he introduced Vault of Glass to the rest of the Destiny Team gave me a different impression of him. I think there's more to all of these people than what we see when they tell us "we're buffing AR's by 4%... oh wait... .04%". It's tough to see but I don't think they deserve to be fired. And for the record, I have a lot of trouble with the things I've heard from Sage Merrill to date... I don't wish him to be fired though.
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Btw,I just want to clarify that my point of contention is not with individual programmers or designers.I believe Destiny is the best game out there and have been amazed at how brilliant it is. What I want is for the original integrity of the game to be preserved.Believe in your own artistic vision...don't water down the pve storyline to create "parity" in pvp.Parity leads to boredom. Pvp and pve are two different beasts altogether,and you need to recognize that.I see all over the forum that I am not the only one who believes this.
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8 RepliesThey should be fired for not living up to your expectations? They should be fired because a bunch of self-entitled teenagers on a forum are upset about using the same weapons and losing to people who have more skill, better tactics, and cohesive teamwork?
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1 ReplyFired? Not [i]yet[/i]. Better guidance? Yes. If I was their boss, I'd tell them what Cozmo has (hopefully) told me that people wanted that was realistic. If they failed to meet my standards again (I.e. Yet another fusion rifle nerf). Then they would be fired. I know that perfect balance can't be achieved unless everybody is locked into the same exact thing. But these people need to realize how poor of a job that they're doing.
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The problem is that whenever they listen to some morons on here, more morons want other things change. There should be minor balance updates but not the big changes we've seen since this game was launched as it just ruins the game and throws up 5 issues for every one it fixes
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1 ReplyIMO, the current balance that exists in the game is the best it has ever been. Is it perfect, no. Is it fixable, yes. Will they fix it, we will see next patch. Snipers are going to get hit, hard. Depending on the data fusion rifles will get a boost. Other than that there really isn't any major imbalances [b]OTHER THAN PEOPLE SUCKING ASS AT PVP AND CRYING ABOUT IT ON THESE FORUMS[/b].
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Balance isn't where I want it, but it's better than anything they've thrown out so far. Fusions, hand cannons and autos could use a nudge, but otherwise, I'm pretty much fine with it.
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If you don't like it, why don't you make your own game. Sign here to get OP banned foe running his mouth about something he know nothing about.
