I think it would help the game immensely only being matched by similar K/D on both teams. It would create a longer time finding matches but it would be quality over quantity. I get put in games where the other team is always above average and my team is nothing but new players. I also get players not really trying or they are just there for the pinnacle.
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1 ReplyTry comp its sbmm. There are a ton of issues with it and its why no one plays comp anymore. Also when there was sbmm in qp that season was an all time low for pvp
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The KD farmers will just cry. I played a guy in trials yesterday he had 50 wins and 2 losses. He still wasn’t flawless. Just farming bots and resetting.
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3 RepliesThere is a reason games use other stats to estimate skill level, because this would not work in the long run. If you matchmake only by K/D, eventually you end up with most players howering around 1 KD, if the matchmaking and brackets are strict it is even more likely to happen. A bunch of 2 KD players playing each other are not going to average that KD and stay in their own bracket over time. It is pointless to ask anyways, the game cannot handle any sort of SBMM without constant lag issues due to the small player pool and P2P-connections, it is supposed have CBMM now but you still get people from all over the world in the lobby, on top of the crossplay lag.
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[quote]I think it would help the game immensely only being matched by similar K/D on both teams. It would create a longer time finding matches but it would be quality over quantity. I get put in games where the other team is always above average and my team is nothing but new players. I also get players not really trying or they are just there for the pinnacle.[/quote] They can go by winrate or create an Elo based off stats. Destiny tracker does a pretty good elo that Destiny could use
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5 RepliesOr they could just rework the lobby balancing algorithm to actually do what it’s supposed to. Instead of doing the exact opposite. Just a thought. We’ve already been through SBMM in D2 and it was just as bad as this nonsense we have now.
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2 RepliesKDA matching will not work. There are a lot of PvP players who LFG to KD farm. It’s giving them a false sense of skill. If you put them against the true solo PvP players with the same KD they will get farmed. Instead keep it CBMM but have stacks face stacks ie. 3 or more. Or just make a solo Que.
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21 RepliesKDA is a number that only means something to the individual player. For example, you have a player who is very aggressive gets over 20 kills a match and has a KDA of a 2.0 and then you have another player who gets less than 10 kills a game by camping and also has a KDA of a 2.0. Their combat efficiency may be the same but their skill level is not. Also bounties are tied to pvp which also distorts a persons true KDA because they are doing things they would normally not be doing in pvp. Matching players by KDA would not help pvp at all.
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There's some decent points in here too, it's shame Bungie are too dumb to read it and too dumb to implement it.
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Edited by MyAuthoritaah: 6/23/2022 4:25:20 PMHere the screams from all the streamers and sweats that can't stand the sound of not matchmaking with their little buddies...
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5 RepliesEdited by RabbitTears: 6/23/2022 12:17:59 AMit’s a non competitive pvp game. No one should take it this seriously where skill base / or any type of mm should be a thing 😂
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7 RepliesI'm desperate for better matches
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14 RepliesI agree i want every game to be tournament mode lag fest. Quick play should be the sweatiest playlist ever. Cause god forbid someone who puts no time into improving gets clapped. Oh no, how will he ever stop crying on forums.
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3 RepliesFor a trial, sure. However, KD is not something most people cares about. It may work in Crucible labs depending on how they implement it. What i mean is, if they use your existing KD then is it even accurate representation of your skill? As so many pointed out, some people goes into PvP for pinnacles only, some tries builds and new load outs, some just kid around with friends in the chat... Their KD will be lower than what it would be if they played somewhat seriously every game and then you have KD farmers who will match top tier players then come here and whine about it beacuse now they will get matched to high KD players like themselves. Unfortunately, if they do not implement something new or from scracth to be more accurate, this wont work the way you think it will. Maybe, they can create a lab playlist where all stats relates to the crucible performance is reset (not in actualy game, onlywithin Labs playlist), and then gather stats and information on matchmaking based on different criteria to judge the results and experience based on criteria. But I do not think they will go back to using KD for anything in the game since there is a reason why they moved onto KDA from KD. Too many casuals will feel dissapointed to see constant below 1 KD, and wouldnt encourage to play the game in long term. I had a game where I had 10 KDA 2-3 days ago (the match ended in mercy fairly quickly), but you cannot really tell from this if I killed 10 times, or just one of my bullets grazed them everytime. There is a huge difference beyween the 2 but no stat available (to players) to differentiate them. So, when you look at a KDA in someon's profile without additional info we cannot get toa conclusion that this is God tier player. (before someone thinks I am bragging 10KDA game, I am not. Since, they were mostly blueberries and seemed like there only to get their pinnacles)
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If it is fireteam average kd, I’d be okay with it. But sbmm kills the experience. I do like connection based matchmaking. But if we are going to bring sbmm back. It better not be based off the best player. Take the fireteam average kd. That is something I think should be attempted
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Edited by Chunk: 6/22/2022 10:21:05 PMI like it, would be a great labs thing to try. I'd only make one tweek, it would have to be freelance kd sbmm labs.. That is the real problem with sbmm going in as different skill pre made teams. It's impossible to sbmm when you have a team of three ranging from 2.5 kd to 1.9 kd to a 1.0 kd who's skill is matched.
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it's a labs idea, I think is great. and only this, an idea, it's not meant to change crucible forever. also, would be great if there is one trials weekend with sbmm. only one weekend for us to see how it feels.
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Every once and a while I’ll look up previous matched players on destiny tracker. It’s kinda funny too see how bungie’s current system almost punishes you for have an elo above 2100. The rest of my team was between 500-1500. The MMR system in place actually works when you solo queue BUT the second I get a buddy or two to join the match making almost doesn’t matter. It’ll give us three 500s and it’ll be a balanced game. The real issues is 6 stacks all with above 1% elo. Either the match making takes too long and increases the range or it out right matches you randomly. The current system tries to balance based on a number. Doesn’t force players in the same skill bracket to play against each other. It tries to pair less skilled with higher skilled in an attempt to create a balance. IMO it’s fine, only one change is make it so 6 stacks play against higher MMRs
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2 RepliesMatchmaking is only part of the problem my man. The lobby balancing is some of the WORST in video gaming history. Congrats on the incompetence bungie, and as much as I would like to think this is true…I still believe they do it on purpose. No programmer can be this bad imo.
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Time to start lowering my kd :) Oh wait I don’t have to :(
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Edited by $hirtless Captain Kirk: 6/22/2022 9:02:44 PMFor sure needs to be done. There is absolutely no reason for sub 1.0 to go against 2.0 plus EVER. If you pad your KD, the joke's on you.
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28 RepliesThey did thin Y2 it's call SBMM. It make crucible worse since it enforced metas and made "casual" matches a thing of the past, since if you weren't playing at peak performance then you just died a lot
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You will still die , expect to lose against better players. 😭 🗑️
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2 RepliesI'm going to be a nice as I can with this. It won't work. Why? KD can be heavily manipulated especially in D2. You wouldn't need to stat farm like some shady individuals in this community do. You'd just let your KD go to the gutter for a few days then stomp everyone at the bottom. Your enthusiasm is to be admired but I suggest you dig up more information of Bungie's current systems of match making and deepen your understanding of how truly bad things are.
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If they gave us dedicated servers I'd be down. Otherwise all matches would solely be based off of who had the spotty internet.
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5 RepliesBad logic here for deciding games...it's either sbmm or cbmm...there's not much in-between. I don't need high latency users in my matches, no thanks.
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So you're asking for SBMM. Nah, CBMM better 👍