[quote]they do affect PvP. beloved will no longer be able to 1 shot supers for example. unless you have box breathing[/quote] It may slightly affect PvP, but the big hit was PvE. Izanagis was triple nerfed for example by replacing Outlaw, nerfing the Adaptive archetype, and nerfing damage against majors. Bungie acts like they play this game and listen to the community, but they are punishing players all the time that take the time to grind for weapons. It happens time and time again. The players are getting sick of it. They are doing this round of nerfs because people had the best weapons already. There was no reason to obtain anything else. So instead of making better weapons or buffing, they nerfed.