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Edited by Mythic, Harbinger of Light:
1/6/2020 2:00:58 AM
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Endgame Activities need to be more Rewarding for your Time
[b][u]Nightfall The Ordeal:[/u][/b]
This was a great addition to the game with the farmable rewards but should not be the only farmable activity in the game. Grinding the same thing over and over to ♾, just for a small chance at rewards is not fun at all. Rewards should be guaranteed and the amount should be the same every time. If I do a 980 nightfall which on average takes 30 mins, I expect more than 1 prism for my time.
Difficulty levels need to be more rewarding:
750 Enhancement Cores (3)
920 Cores (1), Prisms (1), Exotic Armor (Uncommon)
950 Prisms (3), Exotic Armor (Common)
980 Prisms (5), Exotic Armor (Frequent), Glimmer (25k)
As you can see above, the amount of [b][u]Materials[/u][/b] tied to each level of difficulty should be fixed and guaranteed. If you just want to farm for Enhancement Cores, then you can do the 750 version. If you want to farm for both, do 920. If all you want are Prisms then farm 950. Need Ascendant Shards? Go do 980. The odds of getting “god rolled” exotics are so rare you’d be luckier to win the lottery, so don’t tell me that guaranteed drops are the wrong way to go. Do you know how often you get duplicates for pinnacles, or even exotics when they do drop? Out of 10 pinnacles, you’ll get 6 duplicates! Out of 5 exotics, you’ll get 4 duplicates, the only difference is affinity!
[b][u]The Reckoning:[/u][/b]
Previously you did a pass on this activity to make it more rewarding as far as weapon drops go, but why can’t we get Masterwork Materials from this also? Keep in mind you’re already getting armor from the bank, and weapons from the activity, so obviously this would be much less rewarding per completion as far as materials go.
Tier 1 Enhancement Cores (1)
Tier 2 Enhancement Cores (2)
Tier 3 Enhancement Cores (3)
[b][u]Crucible Endgame?[/u][/b]
I know that Crucible needs a way to chase Endgame Materials, but because of how many players cheat on PC I see why this hasn’t happened yet. In order to get around this whole cheating thing, the rewards could be tied to bounties. There should be repeatable bounties and Weekly bounties.
[b][i]Repeatable Bounties idea[/i]:[/b]
Bounty Requirement: Get (75) kills with a Kinetic weapon in Crucible matches. Rewards: (5) Enhancement Cores.
Bounty Requirement: Get (30) precision Sniper Rifle kills in Crucible matches. Rewards: (5) Enhancement Cores.
Bounty Requirement: Get (30) Heavy Weapon kills in Crucible matches. Rewards: (1) Prism.
[b]Note: no repeatable bounty should require general special weapon kills. Focused special weapon kills are fine, but don’t make a fusion rifle or shotgun bounty.[/b]
You get the idea, moving on to better rewards.
[b][i]Weekly Bounties idea[/i]:[/b]
Bounty Requirement: Get (200) precision final blows in Crucible matches. Rewards: (1) Prism.
Bounty Requirement: Get (50) Super kills in Crucible matches. Rewards: (1) Ascendant Shard.
Bounty Requirement: Shutdown (10) Supers in Crucible matches. Rewards: (1) Exotic piece of armor.
Please let me know in the comments below if these requirements are ok compared to the rewards or vise versa.
[b][u]Prime Engrams:[/u][/b]
What good are these once you reach max light?
Could there at least be a chance to get Exotic Armor from them, please?
Maybe we could trade in 5 of them to the Cryptarch for an Exotic engram?
The below spoiler is [b][u]NOT[/u][/b] related to the rest of this post. It’s feedback that Dmg04 requested from my last post. In the event that Bungie does reply to this post, I would like them to get this information also.
[spoiler]https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/254702766/0/0[/spoiler]
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I'll admit I've completely lost all drive to run end game content just because its difficult, time consuming, tough to get lfgs for, and not rewarding. I mean potentially getting a +10 power boost for the next season is pointless when the power grind is easy and the cap is only +20 for each season.
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5 RepliesAll activities in general need to be more rewarding. Resetting valor and infamy (especially infamy, getting that to max takes forever) needs to give pinacle drops of the highest tier with a guaranteed stat score of 65 as the absolut lowest.
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Yeah sure. But less and less people are doing then and the way bungie creates the illusion of difficulty is insulting to players. I'd prefer bungie make the game a little more accessible to players and create challenges for the 10%ers...with appropriate rewards for investment. The game is simply in a terrible place.
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63 RepliesA 750 strike should give 5 enhancement cores? Nah too easy.
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1 ReplyThe super kills and heavy kills bounties will cause outrage... either reduce the kills or change the requirements... but all in all the changes you mentioned are very welcome.
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1 ReplyThe raid seems to be missing.
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Here is the truth: they don’t care and will not until we stop spending our money on this.
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3 RepliesThe issue is your are either soft core and want a minor return on investment. Or you spent the time already farming and have 10 ascendant shard in your inventory and 10 in the mail, 50 prisms in your inventory and 50 in the mail, and the same with masterwork cores. Hell even deleted 10 ascendant shards by mistake once because they were the first item at the post master and when it gets full it deletes that item. Players that farmed the content have the reverse problem all these resources and nothing to spend them on. Same deal with exotics players with max resources are rolling in them, now they prob dont have the rolls they think are perfect. But they have a cache of multiple copys of exotic armor for days.
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Haha, this would be easy if Bungie actually plays their game. They would know how much effort players put into this game doing endgame content.
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2 RepliesThese ideas would be great but they are late, you have a lot of talent to make the game worth our effort, but unfortunately there is no one left on the team, only a few people who do the maintenance and nothing else
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2 RepliesDamn, you've spent a lot of time thinking about all that! Spoiler Alert: They don't pay any attention.
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2 RepliesI agree on your ideas, just not the 20 sniper rifle kills in 1 match xD
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7 RepliesI like your idea in general, but some of your design ideas like 20 sniper kills in single game is very unrealistic. In general I would not want to see any bounties that make playlists biazed. Simply better would be win a game with 30 or more kills. Or reseting valor/infamy ranks. Recokning should drop shards at tier 3. Population there is so low and mm takes years.
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So I’ve suggested this before, but after max light you can exchange 3-5 primes for one pinnacle. Gives purpose to primes for those you really don’t need them.
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This game needs to be more rewarding for your time. At this point in time this game sucks.
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7 RepliesI like your ideas but the PvP bounties suggestion I don’t support, way to easy
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The layout you have isn't bad at all. I would make a few changes to what you've already outlined here but 1st the problem at hand is the endgame and things to chase. I like the addition of core and shards being thrown into the mix but power level & artifact level are the driver for endgame content. Now I'm a crucible player and I hate to admit it but other than doing a bounty for Shax or Banshee there is NO reason to go into the crucible. To change this I would incorporate a light level bonus (Straight Level Boost) of +2 for every time you reset your rank in crucible and a +3 for every glory rank reset. Lets face it, crucible is tough especially on new players. Make it worth my time. For every completion this light boost would go into the artifact. This doesn't mess with the RNG or any other system for loot progression. Win win in my book. For strikes / ordeals I think you nailed it with peppering in shards & cores but I think adding in a way (a consumable maybe) to alter your armor stats would be a nice change as well. Perhaps a consumable to give you a +15 to +20 boost to your stats that you can place where ever you like (one time), think of it like master working your stats! These would only be rewarded for completing particular bounties. I like this idea because... the current RNG is awful.. almost painful.. I like this idea but it can use some work. Anyway these are my thoughts, I hope Bungie actually reads this stuff.
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Maybe Prime Engrams could drop Base 70+ armour And for the love of God, Allow us to change the bloomin’ element on the armour! I’m fed up of getting 70+ ARC (which mainly uses shotgun & bow mods)
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Edited by BossManTings88: 1/4/2020 10:56:59 AMUnfortunately it won’t happen when you have streamers and content creators burning through their “endgame” either undermanned or in record times it will stay as it is as it incorporates a type of top tier system without actually saying it. Also primes do have a chance it’s just real real low
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1 Reply*inhale* *exhale* No.
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Yes please.
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I agree that the system should be tuned to give better rewards for actual endgame activities (master nightfall, raid, seasonal content because Bungie would anyway). But I disagree that we should get guaranteed random exotic armor from it. The point of exotics is to have to earn them or to find them randomly. It wrecks the feeling of seeing that yellow engram hit the ground if all you gotta do is farm 980 events or crucible. Also, a LOT of people hate crucible and putting that much good crap on PvP weekly bounties would just lock us into a single game mode, which is bad game design and something Bungie already does (Recluse, mountaintop, all those hand cannons, not forgotten, etc). If they're gonna give better rewards, it should be for the parts of the game where you hardly get any already, not for the one they've been leaning on since Y3 D1 (crucible) that only serves to irritate large numbers of people every day.
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4 RepliesSo you want them to take out the exotic drop chance from 920 nightfalls, just when it started working properly?
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4 Replies30 minutes? You lose points at 25. If you kill every champion you get a lot of exotics and a good shot at shards.
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12 RepliesIt's pretty stupid that the only direct source for ascendant shards is nightfalls. Master nightfalls are probably literally the most tedious activity in the game. (Yes, I know... I can/have "farmed" them in 10-15 minute runs on favorable weeks. Still tedious.)
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Bungies gonna coast off these cookie cutter xp grind seasons, I don’t see any real change till next DLC or New Game
