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Edited by HollowedWayfarer: 11/21/2018 5:27:24 PM
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I hate the elitism with the Raids

Look, I get that you want to get things done, but is that really an excuse to exclude and be a d*ck to the less experienced people who are trying to do the raid also? After going over a month of no online play because of a hurricane, I finally managed to get back and play again. I wanted to play Last Wish and finally get through the raid, but every time I explained my situation, I was immediately shut down. I attempted joining at least 20 groups, all essentially telling me the same thing: “We don’t want inexperienced players, go bother someone else.” The only somewhat nice response was “We’ll let you join, but we will have to kick you out once we find someone more experienced.” (I’m not joking, that was the exact response I got from someone). And I know what you’re going to say, “Make your own group and stop complaining.” This is where I kindly tell you to shove it. You don’t think I tried that? It’s the same thing no matter what. I try joining a group, they want experienced players. I try making a group, they still want experienced players. TL;DR: It doesn’t hurt to help out some people and teach them how to do a raid. Guides on YouTube don’t cover everything, and some things are better learned with hands on experience. Plus you aren’t always going to find someone with 100+ completions. So quit being a d*ck and just help people. Edit: Just clearing some things up. 1). I am not saying everyone who completed a raid is an elitist and a d*ck. 2). Look, maybe I did rub off the wrong way, but what I said is what I think. The elitism needs to stop. It really doesn’t hurt to take a couple minutes before each encounter starts to give a quick rundown of what is going to happen. Like I said, a video doesn’t explain an encounter as well as hands on experience. 3). To the people saying that they are constantly finding helpful groups and all that: What’s your secret? How are you this lucky? I just have really bad luck with this kind of thing then.

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  • Edited by ThisMahSwamp: 11/21/2018 6:04:52 PM
    1) You are dead wrong regarding Youtube guides for raids. There are tons of videos out there that cover every single encounter in incredible detail. What you wrote suggests you haven't even put in 30 minutes to view videos discussing the various encounters....i.e. YOU aren't putting any effort into learning the raid. Kalli: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj6qnB1g7nU Shuro Chi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBjwtzkE_Kw Morgeth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xTXWzvLEkA Vault: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRpWfYKGPJ8 Riven: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLmMrdACQC4 2) Your post smacks of you requesting to be carried instead of going in with 5 other people who haven't done the raid before...Which, if you were to make a post right now on LFG looking for 5 other folks who have never done a raid before but are of proper light level, you would get absolutely NUKED with messages requesting to join.

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    • It has been my observation and hate to say this because I m one. A very large percentage of the gaming community are the rudest most obnoxious people I have ever encountered anywhere. There are some very nice gamers out there but the obnoxious far exceed that number. Some people just take video games far too seriously. Get over yourselves.

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      • Unfortunately.. it's why I don't even bother with raids. No one wants to blind raid anymore.

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        • Datto has some pretty good, to-the-point tutorials. Memorize the mechanics, and then join lfg groups. [b]Be up front about it being your first time[/b], and the team that doesn’t kick you will take you to the end if you don’t give them too much trouble.

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          • Have you tried the 100.io

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          • I get your frustration but why don't you make your own group and figure it all out together? I see post like this and think you just want carried.

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          • Try guided games. There’s always clans looking to help but the timer for it does take awhile to find a group. I’ve never had this toxic behavior you are talking about from using the Xbox lfg but maybe I just get lucky all the time. Btw, not saying that Xbox players are better, just clarifying I use this one and not the websites.

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            • You know what bungie should do? They should add incentives to guided games. Maybe guarantee an exotic drop or something for people who are willing to do a guided raid. Bungie could be doing more to get people in the raids.

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              • Well I used to raid a lot in D1, but since D2 came out my former fireteam were so burnt out about D1, that they didnt bought D2. So at this point I havent completed any of the D2 raids which is really bad considering that the raids are one of the best activities in the game. ITs really lame that Bungie doesnt provide matchmaking for this and nightfalls. I get some of the rationale, but this is also barring people from the best content of the game.

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              • Get yourself a g-horn and you’ll be good to raid with any group. On a serious note it’s a real struggle, get a clan or just screen your groups closely and be open from the start. If you sense there may be problems later on, don’t waste your time with them

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              • [spoiler]Just make your own fireteam?[/spoiler]

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                • Most guys I’ve played with were pretty cool about me learning. Just have to look for LFG groups that say they’re teaching a new guy. I’m going to be teaching a friend tonight around 8-9 PST. If you’re interested and want to join, just shoot me a PM!

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                • Then the clan you are in sucks ass, especially if they wont help you.

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                • I don’t mean to be rude but... If I want to get something done relatively quickly I’m gonna choose the more experienced players. I know I’m not the only one.

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                  • [quote]Look, I get that you want to get things done, but is that really an excuse to exclude and be a d*ck to the less experienced people who are trying to do the raid also? After going over a month of no online play because of a hurricane, I finally managed to get back and play again. I wanted to play Last Wish and finally get through the raid, but every time I explained my situation, I was immediately shut down. I attempted joining at least 20 groups, all essentially telling me the same thing: “We don’t want inexperienced players, go bother someone else.” The only somewhat nice response was “We’ll let you join, but we will have to kick you out once we find someone more experienced.” (I’m not joking, that was the exact response I got from someone). And I know what you’re going to say, “Make your own group and stop complaining.” This is where I kindly tell you to shove it. You don’t think I tried that? It’s the same thing no matter what. I try joining a group, they want experienced players. I try making a group, they still want experienced players. TL;DR: It doesn’t hurt to help out some people and teach them how to do a raid. Guides on YouTube don’t cover everything, and some things are better learned with hands on experience. Plus you aren’t always going to find someone with 100+ completions. So quit being a d*ck and just help people. Edit: Just clearing some things up. 1). I am not saying everyone who completed a raid is an elitist and a d*ck. 2). Look, maybe I did rub off the wrong way, but what I said is what I think. The elitism needs to stop. It really doesn’t hurt to take a couple minutes before each encounter starts to give a quick rundown of what is going to happen. Like I said, a video doesn’t explain an encounter as well as hands on experience. 3). To the people saying that they are constantly finding helpful groups and all that: What’s your secret? How are you this lucky? I just have really bad luck with this kind of thing then.[/quote] Okay.... I am going to give EVERYBODY a rude wake up call. This is raiding LFG in a nutshell in EVERY game. This isn't a Destiny problem this is just what happens when it comes to raiding. Put it off too long and you can't really find a group. This is why you form a static. LFG try to find a sherpa but complaining about people being "elitist" just because they want to do a quick raid run is a bit... ridiculous from your side. For me I have to wait almost an hour in some game to find a group if I am trying to clear a raid late. That's my problem so I sit and try to find people. You gotta deal with it... in the end its not their responsibility for you not clearing the raid. Its yours.

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                  • I don't know how you have so much trouble finding decent groups. I am a clan leader and I do raid help for members (not as much anymore, a lot of them are getting raid savy and don't need so much help now) but anytime somebody wants to do the raid, I will help them, even outside the clan. We even ran into trouble getting people to join. If you ever need a hand I won't turn you down.

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                  • It's on you to Know what to do and be a competent player. Explain your situation that you haven't done the raid before however you have taken the initiative to Know what the to do in the raid encounters. Most people who are not trash will be fine with it and help. Only thing that can be said is don't join groups that are looking for a quick run. Heck I basically sharped a team through Kalia because they had incompetent players who didn't know what to do and didn't follow directions. Myself if you wount listen I'll kick your ass. Anyway if your on PS4 and still need a team to run it with I'll run it with you. My user is Admiral-Sabree.

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                  • It's been like that since D1 and it's never gonna change. I use to love raiding in D1. But I have compmetely lost all interest in raiding. Only raid I've done in D2 in Leviathan normal mode and that's it. They are just not fun anymore. Only reason people raid now is for 1k voices or for achievements.

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                  • It's really too bad guided games is such a failure. Such a good idea but it never took off. It worked for a night fall one time, but I've never even heard of it working for a raid.

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                  • There are plenty of people out there that would take you through. My best advice is to look up some of the larger raiding clans. Join one and I'm sure they'd be more than happy to run you through, or be more persistent with the lfg groups. This app isnt that great for finding a group as you cant post alot of info about your scenario. More often then not people dont have alot of time and are looking for fast clears and that will never change. People that whine about it like this are equally as toxic cause you dont consider the extra time your going to cause a team. Be understanding that not everyone wants to teach or even are good teachers. Your the one that got into the content late, you are the burden. That being said I sherpa alot of new raiders and have ever since d1. I'm willing to teach pretty much anyone but there are times when I need quick clears as well and prefer experienced players. If you're on xbox add me and I can take you through next week.

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                  • LW is the easiest raid I've encountered in the Destiny series. I came back to this expansion with zero friends. I watched a couple Youtube videos and started making my own groups and learned along the way. I have 23 clears now and all of those aside from 2 have been with complete randoms. The only thing stopping you from doing the same thing is you. We are two months into this content now, people don't want to teach new players in pug groups. I have meet one person that had an "elitist" attitude and I ended up having to kick that person for not knowing how to do the vault. Have I shown a bunch of those players that joined my group what to do? Sure have. Sounds to me like you don't want to put the effort in and just want to be carried. **I see two learning groups for LW up right now. Granted this is for PC.

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                    • Edited by frankhail306: 11/21/2018 5:44:12 PM
                      I know how you feel bud. Everyone tells me to watch youtube videos but I have a bad attention span on videos. If I'm in the raid I understand it better. I want to raid but I'm having a difficult time. Luckily I beat it once. I want that exotic though... Only things I'll always remember for last wish is the cluster bombs Ikelos shotty And whisper Everything else is a blurr :(

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                      • Private message me and I will guide you through it on PC

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                          although i have no issue playing with nubs, just because others do doesn't necessarily make them an elitist wiener. i understand some people want to get things done quickly, due to whatever reason, and that's fine. you can go ahead and tell me to shove it, but yes, making your own post and explaining your situation is the best thing you can do here. lots of people are willing to play with and help out nubs. best of luck!

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                        • It's nothing new........been that way for what 5 years......

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                        • Will your clan not teach you the raid or are they the elitist you are referring to?

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