The Hunter is not a useless class...I am sure some people will make it work and some people will use it to great effect. Nor am I saying that the Hunter won't be fun to play (and I really do hope it will be fun to play because I will main a Hunter since I find that the most aesthetically pleasing class). However I think it is a very objective assessment that overall the Hunter will be the weakest class in Destiny 2 compared to both the Warlock and Titan. This is, for one, due to a very situational class ability. While the dodge sounds nice in theory it has several drawbacks that limit its usefulness. - It is immediately blocked by scenery. It has very, very limited uses in narrow passages and hallways. - It can drop you off ledges...which is of course only a minor issue if that ledge isn't a dead zone drop off. - It is highly telegraphed...it is not hard to predict where the hunter will go and adjust weapons. You do not need to do that though...because of the next point. - You can still get killed in the middle of it....easily in fact...in all the instances I activated the ability in a fire fight (I activate at 25% health) over half the time I was killed before I could make that little turn. - It is a personal ability and doesn't transfer any benefits to the team. Both the Warlock and Titan have abilities that are not only personal but will also increase team survivability or damage output. - Both these abilities also have an extended duration after use and will remain for some time. The hunter ability is immediate. Possible solutions (notice the OR here between options): 1). This can be solved, imo, by adding invulnerability frames in the dodge...which would mean no damage during the entirety or part of the dodge animation. OR 2). The cool down need to be seriously reduced....I am talking about 50% or more. So the ability can be used more often. OR 3). Make it a double ability that can be activated twice before the cool down starts to run. A second reason is rather silly supers. This of course is entirely dependent on the second, as of yet not playable skill trees in both sub classes. But both the GG and the AS are underwhelming in both PvE and PvP. For Pole dancers the counter is really quite simple. Just jump back and you will for the most part be rather safe from getting killed. You get zero speed boost and zero jump tracking as an Arc Strider with a very small AOE....so you will waste the already very short super chasing Amy (so to speak). In comparison the Blade Dancer would track jumping targets...and the Striker Titan now has both a large AOE and a small speed boost when activating. Solution: A jump track ability. For GG...the damage in this skill tree is...well...frankly...laughable. 2 shots to kill a harpy...3 shots to kill a gladiator...2 shots to kill a PvP opponent at full shield and health. Duration is extremely short to even make six shots on separate targets let alone six crits. But given the number of shots needed for kills...you will mostly get those six shots when fighting trash mobs and even then it hardly is better than a good gun....in all other circumstances...this is just a three shot GG with extra steps. I have no solution for this other than a flat damage buff or a slightly longer duration. To be honest the second skill tree looks much better depending on how long that super lasts and what the damage per shot is.

Agreed - the dodge ability is pathetically bad compared to the rift and defence wall - it needs to have it's cooldown reduced to 6s or so to compete with them, and the melee charge perk needs to be binned and completely replaced. Not only that but Warlocks have a dodge built into one subclass [b]with a lower cooldown than the hunter class dodge[/b]. What? For pvp Gunslinger is an utter rubbish class, far too many perks tied into the actual super, which you only get once per game (and the same for your allies - so generating 'more orbs' from precision kills etc. is completely useless). Arcstrider is also utter garbage in pvp - enjoy this wonderful clip of a poor arcstrider desperately trying to kill a single person backing away slowly and missing a reasonably number of his shots: https://twitter.com/chadlantistv/status/887555539739303938 It desperately needs to be able to outrun guardians (as it has no 'charge' ability, unlike both titan supers, nor a ranged ability, like all of the other supers in the game bar striker), especially if they are [b]walking[/b] backwards! Can't see myself playing Hunter much in pve or pvp as it currently stands - the supers could do with some obvious tweaks, but the problems run deeper than that - I think both subclasses need a re-think and re-build in terms of perks and the class ability.

Needs hungering blade

All you people do is whine and whine and whine. Arcstriders super is strong and so is gg

Yep. The dodge ability is bad for multiple reasons. All the other class abilities benefit the team. The Titan gives the team cover as well as instant reloads. The warlock gives the team a weapon buff and a healing buff. The hunter gets a dodge with a gimmicky ability cool down or reload. On top of that, it takes forever to get the dodge back. The ability needs to change.

The dodge is shit compared to a healing rift or shield