First - Bungie stated, in quite a "clear voice," that SBMM would still exist (after the sneaky debacle) but CBMM would be primary...most times it works for me, sometimes it doesn't. Second - my "clear voice," as part of this community, is to keep SBMM. The crucible is much more enjoyable for me and my kids when playing with people of similar skill level.

Reading through this and trying to understand some common ground on this issue. 1. Nobody likes a laggy game So this should probably be dealt with first. 2. No one likes going against really good players all the time. This applies to both the really good players and the really bad. No one wants to have to give 100%, 100% of the time. PvP games are more fun when players can identify the strong players on both their own and their enemies team, allowing people to try and think out their firefights and engagements so that they can be more likely to succeed. Again, no one wants to deal with a team where they perceive every enemy they fight as "at thier level or stronger" this has to do with a bit of psychology and self confidence in ways that I don't have enough sleep to properly explain. So trying to create a balance in games where you have a good amount of relaxed paced matches and more serious matches is crucial. 3. Anything that negatively affects either #1 or #2 is not in any way helping the current situation.

He speaks for more than just the top players. We didn't have sbmm all year one and did fine learning the game. I am around average, maybe a tad better, and I hate sbmm. Gamers for years have been against sbmm, it's ruined games in the past.

Addressing those in defense of SBMM: Can we stop categorizing the player base and consider the subject rationally for a moment? Aside from a personal bias, what place does SBMM really have in Destiny? Let's take a look at a quote made by Lars Bakken himself regarding the crucible during an interview with GI: "Interesting thing about the crucible is that if you take it too seriously you're just going to be frustrated. And it's not because the game isn't balanced or the game isn't fun or whatever......sometimes it's the baggage you bring in from other games. But if you sort of like play it to relax and just have fun it's a really amazing experience." To put things more clearly, the crucible is [i]not[/i] meant to be competitive. This point is made all the more apparent by the lack of ranked play and custom lobbies. In the current state of things, SBMM (even in small doses) does nothing but increase competition and concurrently worsen connections. To say that SBMM has a place here is to go against Bungie's declared design vision for Destiny's PvP. "Skill" is not a stated part of the agenda. Whether or not you are losing by small margins should not even be in the discussion. Do not [i]expect[/i] to be able to perform well or win. That is not the game's focus. It is simply intended as a fun and social experience. To implement SBMM is to alter the "experience". Now, having said all of that, I would absolutely love SBMM to have a place in Destiny's PvP. Ranked play is something the game would most assuredly benefit from. However, there needs to be a balance of competitive and social experiences (Bungo, look to Halo!). As it stands now, I see no reason for Bungie to continue implementing SBMM aside from using us all as guinea pigs for Destiny 2's multiplayer. TLDNR: Nerf Fusion Rifles.

No. Connection should be prioritized but SBMM should also play a part. Casuals shouldn't be paired with sweaty try-hards and pros shouldn't be matched with blueberries.

I don't demand it so you don't speak for everyone. In fact you probably speak for a small minority of sweaty players who don't care about the experience of anyone else. On the other end of the spectrum there are players like a few poor guys in my clan who are really bad at PvP and to them, that "non-sweaty" game you want to play sometimes is a curbstomp where you go unbroken and they die 23 times. IMO, as a casual and very average crucible player I think we're close to the sweet spot, lag is not as bad as it was a few months ago at the height of skill-weighting (which was a definite problem, no argument there) and at the same time, even when playing solo I don't see as many lopsided battles where I'm seriously reconsidering my personal policy of not ragequitting mid-match.

But.....leave skill based matchmaking in Trials of O'Snipers please. Make the neck beard try-hards earn their flawless victories 😉

The majority are average players and matches are just fine. Bungie isn't gonna cater to the few.

I disagree. The majority of games are close now where in the past there was blow out after blow out. SBMM has created very competitive matches.

Seriously man. How can you sit there in your moms basement and say bungie doesn't listen? Bungie does nothing but nerf this, buff that, tweak here.....because of squeakers like YOU!!!!

Oh look, another "I'm scared to play people as good as me, so I'm going to make a post hating on SBMM and then blame it on lag" post. How original. Never seen one of these before. Not ever. edit - I've said it before, and I'll say it again. No-one in Halo complains about SBMM. You know why? Because it's not full of a bunch cry baby, special snowflakes that get butt hurt if they lose a game like Destiny is. Get off your mommy's tit, grow a pair of nuts, and stop whining you little bitch.

Im so tired of seeing your type here complaining. Your so good nothing is ever good enough, stop being a selfish punk and think about the millions of players worse then you that need a break. The game is fine, stop asking for changes, you've all ruined it enough already.

Sorry, but in order for Bungie to receive your feed back you be a streamer or from Reddit.