In PvE auto rifles should return to their pre buffed state and pulse rifles should be buffed even further.

Well thats the final nail in the coffin for me. We get confirmation that the next, miniscule, dlc isnt coming out for at least three months AND they're nerfing weapons again? Not just in Crucible but in PVE too. We dont want that, Bungie! Everything feels weak as shit in PVE already! Most ARs are already useless because of your last nerf. Do they realize that 90% of the kills (or whatever the stats were) are gotten with ARs because people just like ARs? People are used to ARs because they are the main weapon in pretty much every FPS. Not to mention players like to have a little leeway in case they miss a couple shots. Regardless, I'm done. Yeah, yeah, nobody cares but I am. When I saw "Weapon Tuning" I thought "Yes, they're finally fixing the Crota weapons!" but lo and behold its another across the board nerf for weapons people like. P.S. I doubt I'm the only one that noticed this but, as far as I can remember, they've only released two updates fans wanted. Two! Out of I dont know how many updates only two of them weren't a kick in the balls to the players.

I preordered HOW. I AM SO FUKKING DONE after I get my money's worth. For some reason Bungie insists on destroying the parts of the game I and others see as fun. With tactics like this I would be suprised if this game made it to a sequel let alone a ten year franchise.....

I use "fate bringer" like I'm in love....best weapons hands down even at 300 it still kicks ass @ level 33 enemies. And now they take that power away cause some people can't hang with the big boys??? Come on....I had to start Z0mnie Nati0n to find amazing team mates just to get these weapons and now it feels like I've wasted my time having the wife yell at me to play for the best and now you are taking that away......morons.

They are lowering the vex reserve ammo even more in crucible...they want auto rifles to be like chain saws or whatever bull crap they said by lowering the damage-yep smart...what's doing bungie

[b]Rant Warning.[/b] I've pre-ordered Destiny, played it since day one, logged over 300 hours, and I'm on my last straw with Bungie. The reason we use auto rifles are because [u]most[/u] other weapons suck. I use Suros because, in my opinion, it IS the best weapon in the game. Instead of nerfing auto rifles, why not buff all other weapons? Bungie is essentially ruining the core game play for many Guardians. [b]Why not have a monthly poll to let Guardians decide what needs to be changed in Destiny?[/b] I am still going to play Destiny because I do think that it is one of the best games ever, but Bungie is making a bad problem worse by not asking the opinion of the people who are going to be affected. [b]Rant over[/b].

I can't outright disagree with all of what you're saying, because a good chunk of it is right to one degree or another. But did you read the whole update? They ARE buffing Pulse Rifles, by almost 10%.

Bungie logic Many people want this so we will never give it to them so they will come back next week hoping they will .... But never will

Honestly I think k they have meetings where they sit there and go, okay there still not a Ying the game the way we want them to. Let's nerf the guns they like to fore them to play the way we want them to.honestly after seeing that ar's got nerfed again when I saw hand canons I about lost my shit think they were like we'll hand cannons are just to damn effective we better nerf them too. I like seeing how most of their updates are aimed tears pvp. How about they nerf damage on guns in pvp and leave them alone in pve? I can't wait to see how much of a nerf the abyss defiant gets....

The Auto rifle statistics are heavily skewed. if they looked at the autos stats, they would notice that 99% of them were high impact, low ROF, low recoil weapons like Shadow Price and SUROS Regime. Now, Bungie, Listen to me. In order to make these weapons less effective at a longer range, you need to decrease the bonus multiplier from a certain point onwards (The weapons effective range) this will mean precision damage doesn't have the same kick. Then, you decrease stability by 2.5% not damage so out ability to hit precision after the effective range is harder. Now, to even it off, the High ROF guns you have rolled out, now have almost no impact at all (1.95 instead of 2...not much, but, not good) These need a buff to impact slightly, or, to stability. The reason being that they are no good at their effective range (and that's what you're aiming for, I get it, but, these autos are more shotgun range and nowhere near as effective.) What you should be aiming for is a range of autos we'll use (High impact low ROF) and balance them out. Now, forget crucible, the problem with pulse rifles in general is they need a 20% buff to impact and a 5% buff to ROF to make them usefull in situ. The high impact pulse rifles should fall short of a medium immpact scout rifle. and the low impact pulse rifles should pack more munch than High impact autos. These are supposed to be the 'tweeny guns, so, put the impact in the middle. Shotguns are now coming along nicely, perhaps lower ROF for the auto ones so there can be a few shots in to try and put the other player off or to get away, and pocket infinity needs to have a slower charge time between shots (3/5 its original charge time because I understand its perk is to be faster after first shot.) The rest of them could do with a PvP damage decrease. it takes half a burst to kill a guardian with a fusion, take these down a notch by making them 40% less effective against guardians, meaning every shot has to hit for that kill, or, the other guardian noe has the time and capabilities to come back at you. You need to give guns 2 stats, a pvp and pve stat. You have now proven that you can do this with the shotguns, we know now that you are capable of making the weapons different for crucible and non-crucible, so, for the next update, hows about you do that for them all so you can have them as they were intended for PvE and have the 'crucible setup' for PvP. This means the whiners don't affect the core gameplay of the PvE're and leaves us to just choose to do what we want.

What a shitload of -blam!-. This makes no sense. So, The Necrochasm is going to be even more of a piece of junk. Great. My exotic auto rifle collection is slowly being whittled away.. why? Because we USE them? I really -blam!-ing hate this. I saw the news link on Bungie's home page and actually got excited. My fault. All you guys do is shit all over your fan base. If you need something to do, fix the -blam!-ing raids and focus on this 10 year game plan, because as it stands now, most of us will be gone within the year. And limiting the ammo of shotguns and fusion rifles at the start of crucible... just.. what the -blam!-ed is wrong with you people?

Maybe if they buff the impact we maybe want to use it God damnit...

Quit playing the game Would not recommend purchase of this product Happy grinding