All guns are op in the right hands. All have pros and cons

theyre not op bcuz ppl think theyre op.. ppl will say n e weapon is op that they dont like or dont have but each weapon has their own advantages/disadvantages

[b]The Last Word[/b] 1) People talk as if you can't switch weapons. Good players can switch to a sniper rifle and kill you at distances their TLW isn't OP. On top if that if you are playing a map that TLW isn't as good at, you can just use a different primary. Yes, if we weren't allowed to ever switch weapons then a lot of people's "range" arguments would be a lot more valid. 2) I think a lot of people don't know how range works in this game. It doesn't mean you can't hit people at longer range. It just means you hit them with reduced damage. But with TLW being able to spit out so many bullets so quickly, the time to kill is still high. You might be slightly disadvantaged but people talk as if TLW is useless at range, which simply isn't true. 3) Bungie keeps forcing CQC down our throats. You will be in TLW's range way more often than not. And if you think that you almost have to be in Shotgun range for TLW to be OP, then you are not doing it right. I think TLW is somewhat gam,e-breaking. There's a reason why it's by far the most commonly-used gun among top players. The time to kill is so high and the user can just switch to a sniper a longer ranges. The more concerning part is that it is something bad-to-average players can easily use as a crutch. It allows players to get kills they would never otherwise get with any other gun. Will it be the difference between 2-14 and 14-2? No, of course not. But it can easily take someone from 2-14 to 8-8 depending on the map and I don't think any other gun can do that. The problem is that I don't know how they can nerf it without making it useless or lose it's identity altogether. [b]Thorn[/b] 1) The DoTs combined with the rate of fire makes Thorn ridiculous. Yes, you can kill someone with 2 headshots and or 3 body shots. But if you're a Thorn user you know just how often you'll get kills stolen when you rely on the dots to finish off your opponents. 2) It is somewhat weaker at shorter ranges. At shorter ranges the Vex (among many other weapons) will just own you. 3) Thorn also slows down your opponents by making take cover for longer. It also allows you to see where they are by using the DoTs. Overall, I think the Thorn is the right kind of "overpowered". It's an exotic so it should feel overpowered both for the user and the victim. But if they nerf it a little I wouldn't complain. My worry is that if they do nerf it, it might not be worth using over some legendary HC's like Fatebringer. [i][/i]

Fate bringer regime vex there's allot of good guns for primary

Out range them, play tactically.

They are exotic handcannons. Compared to other legendary hand cannons, they should be slightly OP. That's the point.

And Suros is not..?

I have seen people kill things with the last word quick. I have seen people use thorn but the thorn fires quick and it dose not kill very fast. Compaired to other primary weapons like auto rifles or pulse rifles and scout rifles. The rule of thumb is the faster the gun fires the smaller the bullets. So a slow firing gun witch stagers and penertrats Would out gun any other primary gun. From my experince scout Riles are on par with hand cannons but I have seen a weeker pulse rifle make up for loss of power with auto fire rate and no recoil. Both scout riles and pulse rifles are very good at long distance more so then hand cannons. Don't ask me about auto riles I don't think much of them, hand connon will out do a auto rile any day. Ballance is the key You don't want a hand connon that fires so slow the swordbearer at crota's end health regenerates faster then you can shoot. You don't want a auto pulse rilfe that shoots quick enough but dose not eat away enough health to take away his health regeneration. What we need is a gun that fires quick enough and not so quick that it shoots smaller bullets that reduces the amount of health removed. So normal fire rate and normal stagering bullets are the go for primarys with the Crota swordbearer. Talking snipers I do this job with the ice breaker as it regenerates ammo.

Last word takes skill. By the time someone's earned thorn they've developed skill if didn't have already. You're getting killed by skill

Who knows cause the only people who post these guns threads are the whiners of the community

Some cheese with that OP?

Noob

its the player not the gear. a level 20 can own a level 30 wiyh the right skills

Range. TLW's range is short. You can't fire it fast at someone 20+ meters away. You can hit them sure but you need to adjust your aim a bit after each shot. It could take 4-6 bullets to kill someone with missed shots and if it takes 5+ that's enough time to kill me. Of course people are idiots and throw a nade instead. At that range I can side step it. TLW sucks on first light and bastion. I find myself switching to Praedyth for mid range kills. 1 headshot, 2 kills. Love firefly. But funny thing though. I had a stalemate with a thorn guy. I'd get off 2-3 shots at short/mid range (blind watch from windmill to rooftop) and he'd hit me with thorn once. We'd both his and regen then do the same thing. Eventually I killed him but it was a good 30 seconds. Then I grabbed my first of 3 heavy ammo drops for the match.

Thorn is an annoyance to me. Nothing more. TLW on the other hand is a little op. It shoots as fast as suros but hits twice as hard. Needs a serious review.

They're not overpowered because most people have had access to them at one point or another. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. That, or engage opponents from longer distance.