there seems to be a lot of people who still seem confused when it comes to quality of Sniper Rifles. for better clarification i am only going to consider guns that have (or CAN have) 331 attack, simply because 331>300 ;)
for the record - i have Ice Breaker, Patience and Time as well as Black Hammer (BH needs 2 more damage upgrades tho)
in order of quality:
1. Patience and Time
2. Black Hammer
3. Ice Breaker
4. ANY RANDOM Legendary based on the perks it's been rolled with
...sorry, but Legendary sniper rifles available at Vendors won't make the cut, the perks are not that great, however as long as you don't have ANY of the above 4, even one of these will do
now, you must think i have gone mad, but think about it for a while, what would you want from your sniper rifle? me, i want ACCURACY (well, possibly even range, but i never found that to be an issue with Sniper rifles in this game
IceBreaker - this thing kicks like a dying horse (or a Rodeo one), trying to land at least two consecutive headshots with this rifle is therefore rather difficult which has moved this to 3rd place (and im telling you that if it wasn't for the ammo regen this would hardly qualify for an Exotic)
Black Hammer - this one's got a lot less kick when fired, although the problem here is low mag size, 3 could possibly be enough, however there would have to be a lot more punch to beat our BEST sniper rifle in Destiny...
Patience & Time - next to no recoil, 6 rounds in a magazine, landing consecutive headshots alomst 100% of the time
Damage-wise these 3 are pretty close to one another, and i know that ammo regen on IB and 'back-to-mag' on BH are great, if,....IF...and thats the biggest problem - both these guns are GREAT, however rather situational
P&T on the other hand works ALL the time, EVERY time - i can guarantee you that by the time you get those 6 shots ON TARGET with the IB, i would have already fired my first mag, reloaded and most likely emptied the second one as well -> twice as many shots
Plus, it unique perk does not require any further conditions to be met (you can ADS anytime), and it looks best
EDIT_1: i am not saying other sniper rifles are bad, and i obviously haven't tested them all
EDIT_2: this post is mainly for all those recklessly chasing Ice Breaker while it is obviously nowhere near being The Sniper Rifle of Destiny ;) look at the comments below, no one seems to be arguing about me not placing IB on top ;)
EDIT_3: you have asked for it - below is the info from Destiny Gun Data, although most likely for 300 weapons, so scale
ICEBREAKER:
dmg/shot: 1,284
DPS: 9,630
ADJUSTED DPS: 1,148
Patience and Time:
dmg/shot: 1,033
DPS: 9,471
ADJUSTED DPS: 7,306
*ADJUSTED = Damage per second adjusted for reload time, and per this P&T does almost 7x more damage
EDIT_4: this post is PvE oriented
EDIT_5: i stand CORRECTED - my bad for missing out Efrideet's Spear, i would say its probably better than IB though, thus also better than BH as ES doesn't seem situational ;)
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7 RespuestasEfirdeets spear is the clear winner
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Great post, P&T FTW.
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I only have P&T, but it is my understanding that a weapon that essentially has infinite ammo would be optimal for a game where bosses essentially have something similar to infinite health, and ammo is the only thing more scarce than the in-game story. To put this into perspective, imagine you gave a random Legendary quality rocket launcher the regenerating ammo perk. Now put the regenerating ammo rocket launcher beside the Ghorn - Which would you choose?
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Editado por Mathonn: 1/12/2015 2:13:16 AMI don't necessarily disagree, but the iron banner rifle should be high on your list, particularly since you can Reroll it yourself. It's stats are very good and you then have choice in perks and damage type. Oops, missed your last edit.
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6 RespuestasYou do understand 331 damage is meaningless unless you're in crota's end? 300 damage is the max damage on lvl 30 enemies and 331 is the max on 33 enemies. So unless you're in Crota it's completely meaningless. Also ice breaker has solar burn which is way more useful than arc. The kick has never been a problem for me, plus precision shots are often kills with a sniper so who cares about the recoil? The p&t will ultimately run out whilst the ice breaker never will... A sniper able to sit in 1 good spot without ever having to go find ammo is a huge advantage. The impact is very high and finally it also combusts enemies that you kill which is great for smaller ads. Black hammer would be second for me cos it opens up room for my gjallarhorn, has a great ammo salvage / chain shot perk, insane impact and is also solar damage. Not knocking the p&t I like it but I never would pick it over these 2...
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Ib=2ishk per precision P&t=1ishk pre precision. In the time you get the second shot with IB you'll be ending your 2nd p&t shot, 4k>2k , i see your point but its like saying thunderlord>gjallarhorn because thunderlord deals more damage per mag , not considering the real speed of damage
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2 RespuestasLol Black Hammer does the most single damage out of any gun in the game, what gun can pull of a critical headshot of 44,000? Only Black Hammer can do that. And all you have to do is switch to icebreaker and regen some ammo for your BH. And about the PVE only thing, yeah P&T or BH, I can't really decide which one is better really cos invisibility on Nightfall is fantastic. PVP wise tho Praedyths Revenge absolutely wrecks every single other sniper, no ifs ands or buts.
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I've got used to the ice breakers kick once u do those alien heads are easy to pop my favourite but I like all the others and deff see your point might have to try out p + t some more just hate running out of Ammo.
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6 RespuestasYour list is flawed. Lets be honest you really don't need any sniper rifle in this game. Some of you need it but the rest of us its a gun that has no value.. I have been playing since day one and a better weapon load out is a scout rifle with max range or damn near it. That way you can carry a 331 fusion rifle with a heavy impact for close quarter battles. You need this in the raids. I use to carry a sniper rifle but in all reality the way I play makes so a sniper rifle is just about useless.
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I have all three and I love my ice breaker best. Unlimited ammo is awesome and unlimited range. I soloed this week's nightfall because I just chilled and used ib. Think vog it's epic fir it. Black hammer is also awesome but have to be precise fir it to work. Pat is sweet but on arc burn . Once again unlimited ammo is godly .
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1 RespuestaIcebreaker > All
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Ice Breaker is by FAR the best sniper in the game. No one will agree with you and your opinion about it.
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1 RespuestaStill prefer icebreaker whenever u run out of ammo I'll just switch it in making it a #1 exotic. The recoil doesn't bug me much I shoot 7 bullets with crits every time. Patience and time is fun but I personally don't like the Invisible perk cuz there's not many <---- times that I would need to be invisible and I shoot till I run out of bullets lol.
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3 RespuestasYou killed your entire thread with the "this is pve oriented". Ib and black hammer rule pve, p and t is only good for pvp.
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Editado por almightysundaas: 1/12/2015 1:30:48 AMIB will always rule supreme due to regenerative ammo. BH has a great perk but it is a situational perk that works on some bosses. I'd switch to it in a situation where I rather equip an exotic heavy or I'll be able to take advantage of the perk. Giving an adjusted damage spec is kind of biased too. In that regard, any 300 sniper rifle would work to beat the IB. That is kind of like negating gjallarhorns wolfpack round damage when comparing brute strength of rocket launchers. Ammo can sometimes be scarce in certain situations. Players don't generally sit around sniping for long periods in PvE except for nightfall. In nightfall, one could argue both IB and BH are great.
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I think ice breaker is not only the best sniper, it's the best Exotic.
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9 RespuestasYou've left out what I believe to be the current best sniper in the game: Efrideet's Spear.
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Ice breaker is better than patience and time. Let's say you gold 18 bullets with patience and time. You aren't getting 18 critical hits. Let's fave it, most people won't get half when fighting mobs that move. You'll finish 18 bullets and spend the rest of the time looking for ammo. With ice breaker, you switch weapons, shoot for until your I've breaker is back to 4. Dont forget, you get 8 shots with ice breaker. By the time you shoot 6 with IB two would have regenerated already. It's also situational, with arc burn I'll take patience and time and have ice breaker to load ammo when need be.
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Editado por Kill Joy: 1/12/2015 1:25:24 AMIce breaker the best if you got aim that is.. But I have all them at 331 as well and I will say ice breaker then black hammer then patience in time
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Black hammer and ib are easily better than patience, put perfect balance on black hammer and enjoy
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What enemy do you need to put 12 rounds of sniper into where black hammer wouldn't be the obvious gun of choice...? If it's only gonna take 6 or so shots ib is obviously gonna do the trick just as well and your not gonna have to go pick up ammo after, in fact that's the biggest advantage NEVER having to get ammo. Lol I don't see how being able to fire off 18 shots quickly is that helpful especially when you have a Bh...
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Editado por U5334926: 1/12/2015 12:43:48 AMLol BH easily has a six round mag if u can aim and it has next to no recoil with perfect balance
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9 RespuestasM-m-more Back hammer, m-m-more money. M-m-more money, m-m-more speech therapy. Seriously though, what's modifiers like juggler to blackhammer? Sorry back to mag wat.
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2 RespuestasI'd take my VoG sniper (the name eludes me right now) which is 300 over any sniper in the game excluding ice breaker. Even at 300 it does amazing damage and has absolutely no kick at all.
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1 RespuestaThis is for PVE. Put that in the title. Icebreaker has unlimited ammo and has predictable kick.
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Editado por DarKnightNoir: 1/12/2015 1:09:48 AMMeh. I've got a solar LDR with 6-8 per clip (clown cartridge) maxed at 331. Kills shit. Perks are rodeo, field scout, and clown cartridge.