there seems to be a lot of people who still seem confused when it comes to quality of Sniper Rifles. for better clarification i am only going to consider guns that have (or CAN have) 331 attack, simply because 331>300 ;)
for the record - i have Ice Breaker, Patience and Time as well as Black Hammer (BH needs 2 more damage upgrades tho)
in order of quality:
1. Patience and Time
2. Black Hammer
3. Ice Breaker
4. ANY RANDOM Legendary based on the perks it's been rolled with
...sorry, but Legendary sniper rifles available at Vendors won't make the cut, the perks are not that great, however as long as you don't have ANY of the above 4, even one of these will do
now, you must think i have gone mad, but think about it for a while, what would you want from your sniper rifle? me, i want ACCURACY (well, possibly even range, but i never found that to be an issue with Sniper rifles in this game
IceBreaker - this thing kicks like a dying horse (or a Rodeo one), trying to land at least two consecutive headshots with this rifle is therefore rather difficult which has moved this to 3rd place (and im telling you that if it wasn't for the ammo regen this would hardly qualify for an Exotic)
Black Hammer - this one's got a lot less kick when fired, although the problem here is low mag size, 3 could possibly be enough, however there would have to be a lot more punch to beat our BEST sniper rifle in Destiny...
Patience & Time - next to no recoil, 6 rounds in a magazine, landing consecutive headshots alomst 100% of the time
Damage-wise these 3 are pretty close to one another, and i know that ammo regen on IB and 'back-to-mag' on BH are great, if,....IF...and thats the biggest problem - both these guns are GREAT, however rather situational
P&T on the other hand works ALL the time, EVERY time - i can guarantee you that by the time you get those 6 shots ON TARGET with the IB, i would have already fired my first mag, reloaded and most likely emptied the second one as well -> twice as many shots
Plus, it unique perk does not require any further conditions to be met (you can ADS anytime), and it looks best
EDIT_1: i am not saying other sniper rifles are bad, and i obviously haven't tested them all
EDIT_2: this post is mainly for all those recklessly chasing Ice Breaker while it is obviously nowhere near being The Sniper Rifle of Destiny ;) look at the comments below, no one seems to be arguing about me not placing IB on top ;)
EDIT_3: you have asked for it - below is the info from Destiny Gun Data, although most likely for 300 weapons, so scale
ICEBREAKER:
dmg/shot: 1,284
DPS: 9,630
ADJUSTED DPS: 1,148
Patience and Time:
dmg/shot: 1,033
DPS: 9,471
ADJUSTED DPS: 7,306
*ADJUSTED = Damage per second adjusted for reload time, and per this P&T does almost 7x more damage
EDIT_4: this post is PvE oriented
EDIT_5: i stand CORRECTED - my bad for missing out Efrideet's Spear, i would say its probably better than IB though, thus also better than BH as ES doesn't seem situational ;)
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Uhh if you can't land 2 consecutive crit. shots using an Ice Breaker, then you shouldn't be using one at all. P&T has better stats, but is not the superior sniper rifle. Black Hammer is a great sniper, but I'd still pick IB over it.
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1 RespuestaI'd argue against your contention that vendor legendary snipers aren't worth it. I have P&T maxed at 331, used to use 300 maxed Praedyth, but the most DEADLY sniper rifle I have is an LDR 5001 solar damage with 6 round clips. Lucky arse friend got it to drop from a package with firefly, mine doesn't have that but 331 damage, low kick and 6 rounds its the bawls. I have an LDR 5001 of every damage type, last night my void one dropped, own a maxed arc and solar LDR already. I don't have IB yet and don't so much care to have it, now that everyone is starting to stop being pansies and trying to fight HardMode Templar from the cliffs. I have been arguing for months its easier down below.
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Patience and time is good, but man, the reload speed is Terrible. And if you're using it with a hand canon, you have to choose. I'd rather go with the ice breaker anyday. Other than arc burn on nightfalls.
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The Ice Breaker kick isnt that bad. Maybe a bit of getting used to, but I can pop people off in groups pretty easily with it.
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2 RespuestasIn practice, the patience and time doesn't have enough punch, the impact is too low. If you can only poke out for a second to fire a shot, it doesn't keep up. If you're talking about standing there and unloading all your ammo, the P&T might be up there (I do love it, it is really easy to use) but in general, you can't. I favor something with a higher impact. LDR 5001 legendary vendor version is my go to sniper now, it has the same impact as the IB, very little recoil, very easy to use, clown cartridge is really nice if you manage it properly (when you get down to 3 rounds, reload and there's a good chance you'll get a free round). Oh and it has an amazing second tier perk, works phenomenal in pvp and pve... You can figure that one out though ;)
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I am a big SR user and disagree with just about all your premises. By the way, the LDRs are great snipers. Anyhow, GL with your gaming.
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2 RespuestasEfrideet's spear with rodeo and final round, is hands down best sniper rifle I have acquired.
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no land beyond op
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1 RespuestaI just want Ice Breaker so I can refill my Patience and Time ammo...
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Icebreaker is most consistent sniper P&T has ammo problems Snipers made for camping in pve- not wading through ammo drops so ib is better
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Editado por gomogzz: 1/14/2015 5:51:16 PMI use the Y-09 Longbow Synthesis. It has the same exact stats as the icebreaker, I have two: one with arc and one with void. Arc one has final round perk and void has the speed reload perk with precision kills. It also has lower recoil than the icebreaker and it frees up an exotic slot. In this weeks nightfall I was doing about 30,000 damage with the final round perk on headshots Edit: also, I don't know how you can argue that the icebreaker isn't the best exotic sniper.. It had the highest impact, farthest range, and regenerates ammo. Only thing that patience and time has on it is that it has maxed stability which can't really distinguish itself better than icebreaker
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Black hammer has the most punch. Just take the extra half second to readjust your aim, get another headshot, and not only do you have unlimited ammo, you also deal tons of damage.
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You need to use the last scope option on ib, its more recoil but it's also more predictable. I can land head shots all day.
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3 RespuestasEditado por Tomato Gravy: 1/14/2015 5:38:29 PMI also have ib, blackhammer, patience and time. I use ib probably 90% of the time... Not just above other snipers, but above other exotics as well. Your whole argument hinges on your ability to land consecutive shots with the ib..... I don't have that problem. Say what you want.... Ammo regin still kicks ass.
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Go check out the longbow synthesis I have on my warlock, , has Outlaw and Final Round Reload boost, and it's middle perks are snapshot (for dem quick scopes doh) field scout (goes from 5-6) and perfect balance (y'all already know). It's void, and if say it's pretty badass. Take a look if you want, I love it.
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2 RespuestasIt's easy to get steady on anyone with icebreaker lol,I can empty a full clip if crits in val taruc no problem lol But in all honestly I got ice breaker in my first nightfall and can see how someone used to a low recoil sniper would not be as good with the IB I can hit crits faster with Ice breaker than I can with black hammer
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Editado por DjBodya: 1/14/2015 2:19:12 AMJust got my Efriddel's Spear rerolled at the Iron banner guy and Got, what I think is the best Sniper Rifle Set up. I got Spray and Play, last round odes extra damage and field scout. Oh the joy I experienced when I say the first two skill and then field scout!!! Best sniper period, he he he, if only it was fire or arc instead of void.
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You may want to include Praedyths's Revenge in this. I still like it better than most special weapons on sub 30 content.
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3 Respuestasi have both snipers P&T and as well as iB its based on preference but still in my opinion in a tough situation which.. you will normally have in nightfall the weekly raid ect. iB is the sniper that shines through them all recoil on it? after useing it for awile it fires as if it has no recoil at all for me and i can hit precision spots all day in quick shots. (not saying i am good just that it takes time to master ) it has the impact to explode your foes head off in a firery death ball of flames. it has unlimited ammo which saves you from risking your life to get that precious green ammo along the ground which means greater survivability as well with this gun the P&T it.. was ok good for a few shots quick to the head but no stagger from oppenent as he just shakes it off laughing.. your.. adjusted dps isn't right. think. after you use up all ammo. that dps just stops. the iB can keep going and going and going and going and yah so really it has infinite dps when you really think about it. i do not no much about the black hammer so i will not comment on how its better or worse. that is all. but nice try putting up numbers that in reality are very wrong.
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3 RespuestasThe sniper rifle doesnt matter...the sniper does
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Me and another guy just wrecked the fallen walker on the nightfall in like 20 sec with p&t
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I really want a Black Hammer and Patience and Time. But I will always go back to Ice Breaker. Cant beat that sound
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No land beyond ftw. Dismantle the rest.
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I love my patience and Time. E. I do not have an ib. Since I have acquired a black hammer, it has taken the place of my p&t. I shot sepiks 27 times in a row today without using one round. I can do the same with phogoth and archon. However, I still think ib is a better and more versatile gun.
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2 RespuestasIce Breaker is so much better than Patience and Time. I can tell you this because I have both.
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1 RespuestaIs there even a point to this post? And you obviously don't understand how damage is calculated in this game. All 331 damage means is you can do maximum damage to lvl 33 enemies and that's only if you are also Lvl 33. So right now at best anyone can do is max damage to lvl 32 enemies which are only in some parts of the raid that I know of lol basically 300 damage will give you max damage to almost everything else in the game