So I was on Twitch tv this one time and found this Destiny stream where a hunter was annihilating with Thorn in PVP, I asked him about his set up and it turned out he's using a keyboard and mouse. How is this set up fair for people using a controller? Btw here's the stream: http://www.twitch.tv/vibez87 [b]HERE'S WHAT"S CONSIDERED A BANNABLE OFFENSE PLEASE READ:[/b] http://www.bungie.net/en/Help/Article/11929 It states that things like modified console hardware (like an adapter) is banned. Edit: every PC gamer knows keyboard and mouse is superior to controllers. That's why it's an unfair advantage, and to allow it where the majority is clearly expecting the other player to be using a controller when that is not the case is just deceitful. Edit: crap like this don't even hurt me. It hurts the game and it's longetivity, no one wants to play a game that people can exploit freely whether it's PVE or PVP. So, if you don't agree, it doesn't matter soon this game will just be an afterthought Proof: http://www.rahulsood.com/2010/07/console-gamers-get-killed-against-pc.html?m=1 Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llyw5xRayaQ Edit: a lot of people think this is about using K+M. It is not. It is about using it in PvP against the average controller user. It is a huge advantage. No one is saying the best console player can't stand toe to toe with a K+M user but your average controller user will definitely lose most of the times. All the cry baby KBM wannabes in this thread are trying to justify their bad behavior. If Destiny PVP is so inconsequential then why would you spend hundreds of dollars to get the a KBM set up. Ooh that bit of cognitive dissonance got you huh . Birds of the same feather flock together and it seems all the scumbag cheaters of Destiny have come to the aid of their king So this is what Vibez think of people who refuse to spend the money so they can get on his level. [quote]Yes maybe if it was actual PC gaming, it would, but since my turn rate is limited exactly the same as controller and I am stuck at 30 FPS with the rest of you peasants, your comparisons don't mean shit! Stop trying to act like you know what you are talking about please, it is embarrassing for us all Does my method of enjoyment really cause you so much pain?[/quote] If it's not to your liking why don't you play another FPS game title on the PC with others who have the same set up instead of picking in controller users who you have an unfair advantage against Facts: Keyboard + mouse is not a supported device you have to purchase an adapter on his case it's the Xim which costs about $124. You use a smartphone to configure settings. You can make any excuse you want but this sounds like modding to me This has nothing to do with your preferences but rather your need to be noticed on this game for all the wrong reasons. Til the time keyboard and mouse become standard devices on consoles, hooking it up so you can demolish players using controllers in the Crucible to feed your ego or some sense of having achieved something is plain dick-ish and considered cheating. If anyone can make any coherent counter argument then make it. Having the "opportunity" to buy it isn't a counter argument since I'm sure most people are either reluctant to spend their hard earned money so they can compete with scums like you, and most are even naive that such devices actually exist. [b]Saying Scuf controllers are allowed isn't a legitimate reason either because these are still in essence controllers with extra buttons, if you can't grasp the concept of the difference between aiming with a joystick on a controller and aiming a mouse then that's your bad. [/b] This argument could be so easily resolved if only Bungie could make a statement on their stance in the subject. If they say it's allowed to attach said adapter to the system then I'll concede. Within the language of the advertisement for a KBM adapter it states that the adapter is: [b]"Undetectable With most modded controllers it’s possible to be detected using a mods or rapider fire online; then you could find yourself banned. That’s no fun. This can be an annoying and frustrating nuisance with most modded controllers. However, the manufacturers of Titan One have said that their device cannot be detected online and that it’s completely invisible."[/b] [b]EVEN IN THE LANGUAGE OF THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THESE ADAPTERS IT DECLARES THAT THESE DEVICES ARE BANNABLE OFFENSE[/b] I believe we're finish here.