just overall, stop complaining if the Raid is going slow, we dont care you just beat hard with 6 29's with ur other friends, because RIGHT NOW, your dying and sucking

i would advise having more alcohol in arms reach.

General Aetheon tips I'd add: 1). on mars (left) always allow the relic holder to get the first hit on the adds in the timestreams, shooting before this alerts adds to your presence and he will get sniped, on the right side he should go for the goblins before the praetorian, and you can shoot the praetorian when hes on top of the goblins. 2) . Killing the oracles as soon as they start to spawn after the aetheon teleport means you can kill them quickly, without a full clip of epilogue for example (hard raid), if you wait too long it takes more ammo. This can allow one person to kill the first few oracles alone. and facilitate someone helping on the adds, so if someone gets the oracles straight off the bat everything should be peachy. 3). If you are opening the portal and the other guys have the supplicants covered you can go into/through the portal you just opened and help kill oracles if group inside is struggling. (communicate before doing this) 4). focus on the supplicants on the portal that has your team in, only pick off the other side when waiting for respawns if at all. (assumes shield guy bubbles on the middle island) 5). a flash grenade or with the exotic helm blind effect on titan bubble can be very helpful for killing the praetorian when warped to venus/right 6). use weapons of light in boss fight if available 7). every one shoot the boss, do not think "i should really clear these supplicants first". The more damage on boss the less teleports, leave the supplicants for the group outside to mop up 8) relic holder let people know 5 seconds until the shield drops, and make sure they know that means get out of here. 9). relic holder in vengence time ensure the relics over shield is towards the front of the middle island, and away from the pillar on the left of that middle island to avoid deaths from splash damage. 10). you shouldn't have to ask which side/portal needs to be opened, its on the minimap. (arrow pointing off the minimap on the left or right) guys inside tell them anyway (once roles inside are sorted)

More of question for the group: Anyone notice any other damage type bonuses inside VoG we can take advantage of? (Like void on the praetorians)

Come up with a strategy that works for your team. Execute said strategy. Play with the same people consistently. Don't yell or name call, if this happens the team will fall apart(if I'm with you I will immediately drop).

Find out who is calling the shots and listen to them. If no one is leading the raid, be sure to communicate everything and call out what you are doing. For example, call out which conflux you plan to cover. If you realize a conflux is not being covered well enough provide assistance. If someone goes down try and help cover for them. If everyone is talking about these things you can get through each part of the raid very smoothly.

1) When in gorgons maze for Christ sake just crouch and we can all make it in one attempt. I don't want grenades thrown, shots fired, double jumps, sprinting from the start, just have some bloody patience. 2) When doing anything with praetorians - call them out and team shot. They will go down instantly with 3-4 people shooting at them. Anytime I've watched people do the gatekeepers part, people are still shooting regular goblins when the praetorian is out. 3) Save your supers and heavy for something that matters. Got a Group of 3 goblins at their spawn point on the 2nd conflux part of Templar? Great nice nova bomb....Not. 2 minotaurs about to sacrifice on the last conflux part, use your super- Oh wait you don't have it up now... I don't use golden gun/heavy ammo unless I absolutely have to. You never know when things will go pear shaped and you need more firepower. 4) The easiest way to get both relics out of their portals is 1 guy in each side (or 2 in 'Mars' if you must). Get your boss to very low health and ask if your teammate is ready to drop his boss. If yes then finish them and you're ready to run out and face the conflux as a team. My strat for Venus is go in hide behind the cover immediately left - golden gun the goblins (4 shots), snipe the last goblin then crit the boss to low hp and let him sit at the back. Hobs start spawning but they are easy to one shot as soon as they spawn in. Keep them wiped until you're ready to drop gatekeeper. When he drops run to the right and jump up to the relic, pop a bullet at the hobgoblin that has spawned to make him crouch - grab the relic jump back to the portal via the left hand cover and you're out free and easy. You can do the whole section without taking a single hit. Even on hard...

Mages need to get decurser for decursing people as soon as Impending Doom starts ticking Whoever has the bomb should GET THE FUK OUT OF EVERYBODIES WAY, seriously Kill ALL the whelps, ALL OF THEM Don't stand in the eye beam of doom (srs) Shamen needs to save their ankh and die in a good spot so we dont have to rerun the entire raid again ... Paladins always BoK the tank, otherwise lolwut I dont know? Craft your resistance gear people! Make sure you have your cloak to survive Shadowflame, otherwise we ALL die Just DPS down Hakkar, god

Opening the first door: Bring a sniper rifle with you (if your primary and heavy are enough to do the job). If you're clear, help the other plate teams. This challenge is pretty easy, but if you hear someone say they they have a Praetorian, might as well help. Templar: Relic holder should always block teleports, always. I've had people argue with me saying that he enrages faster if you do that (which I don't know if that's true), to which I reply that if we don't do that, it will take us longer to kill him, which has a risk of enrage as well. It's so easy to kill him if you do that, but people seem to shy away from it for some reason. I've never hit enrage while doing it that way. Atheon: Plenty of people still don't seem to realize that Supplicants swarm from both sides. I can't tell you how much time I've wasted during Time's Vengeance clearing the map of the stragglers if I've been on the teleport team. It's the one thing that drives me crazy. In general: Cooperate for the love of god. Even if the group is leading you into using the worst tactic possible, if you're all doing it together you might still make it. If you all die, you will respawn, and you get to tell them how wrong they were.

to my titan brethren use your lighting grenade on the boss it do sent mater if you miss just keep throwing them if you can so round him with them so wen he walks in any direction he will lose health. try it out it really works and your FOH can wipe out harpies fast