Auto rifles are not 1 shot kills...and for the rest of your post this is a situational game. You get caught with your pants down and you're dead. Mini map is your best friend and headshots are everything. Keep those in mind and domination will become your friend people

My primary weapon is a common scout rifle, and I usually place pretty high. This is both for the iron banner and the crucible. Obviously, though, I tend to do better is the crucible. In my experience, HOW you use the weapon is extremely important. I can be pretty easily overwhelmed in extreme close quarters by an auto rifle, but I have the advantage by range, easily. Talent with the weapon is important: I am terrible with the pulse rifle, but I can typically outperform competing scout rifles.

[This is from my post this morning: The Right Way to Play PvP. Discuss.]This is a matter of opinion. After extensive matches and reading everyone's experiences on the Feedback link, I wanted to point a few things out. Please add your own thoughts. 1. Yes, the vehicles on the moon are OP vs someone who is on foot, but they shouldn't be removed. You have at your disposal your Super, grenades, heavy ammo, or some smart shooting to take them out. If you still don't like em, try driving them yourself more often or just stay inside the facility. 2. So you can't turn on a dime or 360 turn? I've noticed it too. Trust me, I hated it at the start, UNTIL I realized that Bungie would rather you focus on strategy than running and gunning. Once I focused on that I did much better and I adjusted how I stopped to look around. 3. Hate how the radar gives away your position? Yeah, that seemed a little annoying at first. But you can see the enemy too! Rather than lurking around hoping to find someone or being surprised by people who know the map better than you, you'll at least have an opportunity to position yourself, select the best weapon for the environment, and hopefully get excited about having a legitimate duel with someone. 4. Still think the Super's should be removed? No no no. One, they help against vehicles. Two, nothing feels better when you get to use it to clear a room of opponents to keep them from capping a position. It can really help swing the momentum around. Here's a hint: don't hold your Super back! I used to only have 1 Super per match but now I use it at least 3 times a match. And it can be strategic for your teammates by leaving orbs of light so they can use their Supers sooner. 5. "But the Titan's Super can't be aimed" and "it needs crosshairs". Well, it can be aimed...eventually. If you check your Titan's Striker sub class upgrades you'll notice its a future upgrade for when you level up past 8. Crosshairs won't be necessary. Be patient and all will be fine. 6. Still feel that other players' weapons are OP compared to yours? Yup, been there. BUT, after a little research you'll find that the Impact of a weapon plays a larger role in PvP than Attack. You might have a lower level weapon with major Impact that you aren't using yet that can help you! 7. Getting crushed in Iron Banner and don't know why? If you've recently joined the BETA and haven't asked around, realize that Iron Banner takes into account your weapons and gears true numbers and upgrades. Bring your best if you want to last. 8. Bummed you can't talk to anyone? Same here! All we can do now is create a fire team before we enter the Crucible, but make sure you do if you want an extra pair of eyes on the battlefield. Keeping posting to Bungie about adding chat. Until then, keep dancing when you cap your position! So, any thoughts? Agree or disagree?[]

I think the main problem is the super-mechanic. In an unbalanced match the better team/players become even better because their super charges faster because of the kills/flag caps- they get more orbs which lead to charged supers and so on. So when you are on the team that gets dominated you constantly get killed by super abilities and you can't do anything about it. It's a bad mechanic, just like the killstreaks in COD. It creates really unbalanced matches and the game isn't fun for noobs or below average players.

I think the AR and Scout are both pretty good; however, there is some real wonky stuff at the moment. 1. It might be the game just not running well causing lag and other issues. Last night... the UI wouldn't load so I couldn't tell where the command points were on that map, had no tracker, and couldn't see team indicators. It was a bloody joke. Also, I just had one match where a guy was killing with what seemed like one shot with various guns (his primary/secondary/heavy)... he went 30KDR so it apparently wasn't just me. He also took a lot of hits and would just run through it.... I'm hoping that is just lag issues that will be fixed with release or by going next gen. 2. I know they claimed to balance gear out so that your level/rarity won't hinder you in PvP but that seems like a complete load of bs from my end. The number of hits it takes to kill people seems drastically different so when I've joined on a character I've recently created it does take longer to kill people and I seem to drop faster. [That could be lag so it may just be issue number 1.] 3. I hate the pulse riffle... it just seems like an underwhelming middle ground between the scout/AR. That might just be my own preference though.

[i]git gud or git rekt. -thefartassassin[/i]

I have a suggestion... Get good lol I only use a scout rifle and I own everyone lol

Lol there's no one shot one kill auto rifle, now that's just ridiculous and I've said this in one thread and I'll say it again the whole damn game is PvP that's what you get when you free roam RPG character gets transferred to multi player...

The only real problem i have with the assault rifle is it's range,

Cry baby

Your whole topic is INVALID, because Auto Rifle is not one shot kill, it's 5-8 shot kill if you're aiming for the head, it's like 20 bullets if you spray a moving body (with the Shin 44 round clip AR anyway) So stop complaining. Bad players BIG CRY

One shot auto rifle? You sure a flanker didn't hit your head first with a hand cannon or such?

You also have to remember that this is just the Beta and I'm sure Bungie will balance accordingly. Also, have you seen the weapons and gear you can get for participating? I mean, not now, but when the retail rolls out.

It is balanced... It depends on where you aim.. If you aim for the head, it is instant kill no matter what gun you're holding. Though I dont even own a Auto Rifle, I use a scout rifle, I am still able to fight on the same as other players. I'm a Hunter, someone says that the supercharge has no AoE? Well, it does, you just have to level up your skills more and you get the overpenetrate AoE supercharge golden gun... Each class is balanced, no matter what you say titan isn't the best. Even though they have similar skills to like a Guardian (mmorpg) its supposed to be like that. I have no problems killing Warlocks or Titans as a Hunter. Sheilds, aren't a problem either, I find like you can avoid stuff and take cover while shield recovers. You shouldn't even be playing like a CoD game or other fps.. This is different in terms of gameplay. You should rush less, play tactical. Hunters are throwing knives, which are really helpful can be used similar range to a grenade which is their advantage.. Your probably just running in expecting that you can kill someone. This game takes skill to play. You can dodge by jumping or sliding... Turrets and vehicles in the moon map, there isn't a issue with that either, since they give you heavy ammo in intervels and just shooting the character will knock them off the bikes or even kill them. Same for turrets, if you aim for them and ignore the turret hitboxes. It doesn't cause an issue. Too much complaining, when you haven't fully learnt the game, there's so much you can do on this alpha / beta of the game.

One shot one kill huh? If you want to be taken seriously when you say something is broken, maybe you shouldn't exaggerate...

There is nothing wrong with the GG.