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Editado por EMPeace:
6/19/2013 11:24:24 PM
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Lemme get this straight... People liked having their rights taken away?
So as I'm sure you all know, microsoft has just announced that the xbox one will no longer block used games or always require an internet connection... but people are angry about it?
I mean that whole "family sharing" thing wasn't that great, yet you were actually going to let microsoft -blam!- you up the ass with your own money? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Could someone explain this to me?
EDIT: I honestly don't care because I still have no plans of getting either next gen console, but it kind of baffles me.
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My rights aren't taken away if I don't care about the restrictions and they allow me to have cool features.
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With the whole new used game policy it essentially was trying to mimic steam which would equal cheaper overall game prices, so yes In a little upset that they are removing features like this beause whiny children who don't fully understand the concept, have put microsoft in the position that if they dont reverse these features, then their sales will not be good.
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No rights were taken from me. I buy their product under their terms. Your phone could be seen as having your rights restricted. So let's say that you wern't being locked up for your complaining about the lack of basic human rights. So I don't give a damn. And the fact that you mentioned "rights" in the first place makes your credibility invalid, and undermines your integrity. None of the changes by MS in the first place affected me. In fact, the family sharing was great. That's an addition of a right, is it not? So no rights were given, or taken, at any point. So i'm not explaining anything to you, for you are an asinine idiot.
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1 RespuestaGood job on making a point....!!!! Anyway, the family sharing system as far as I can tell was to be a fantastic new endeavour! I will now have to buy 2 copies of every game for me and my son again! I was quite looking forward to being able to flick through ten of my mates games library's for something different. I also wanted to be able to seamlessly change games without changing discs! Discs are not convenient, not anymore! Having all my purchased games on a cloud I can play anywhere, is, they also can't break, get lost or get stolen there. As far as I'm concerned we should have the choice of "checking in every 24 hours or not, which decides whether or not I require the discs to play my games!
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1 RespuestaEditado por Heisenburg: 6/20/2013 10:46:52 AM>Microsofts DRM policy was taking my rights away. HAHAHAHAHA
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My rights are protected by the UK and the EU so even with the DRM and used games stuff (Not blocking them since you could still trade them to people and the shop, just ignored that piece of info huh?) they would not have effected me in the slightest.
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2 RespuestasEditado por Sabotaged Decoy: 6/20/2013 9:51:02 AMWe're going to to have to move forward sometime. I wanted the new features. People were quick to jump on the bandwagon, Sony was as disrespectful as ever, and Microsoft failed in explaining the benefits of what it had to offer. It's a sad day for me. All because people didn't want change.
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Editado por Citrus raptor: 6/20/2013 11:34:37 AMYou don't have any rights. What do you think Microsoft is, some kind of universal entity that's tasked with entertaining you, in order o uphold the laws of physics? Always online is going to happen eventually anyway. It might not start with video games, and make people used to the concep with video games, but it will most likely start. In some ways it already has, considering many games are built to be played online. What do you think MS will do now that they've had to let go of drm, could they possibly try and compensate for it wih something else, like funding more [i]always online[/i] games?
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2 RespuestasWhat rights are they taking away? It is their console, they can do what they want with it. People don't buy it if you don't like it. But instead they complain. And now the people that actually saw the good in it are getting screwed.
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Kind of tired looking at the console wars on a game designers forums you've gotten your anger out how about going somewhere where it might matter or be noticed by the companies you rant about.
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Rights? lol
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Really the family thing wash that great dude big you want to share a game with family now you have to give them the disc before they could be in -blam!-ing china and you in the USA and they could still play your games how was that not awesome?
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Editado por cB557: 6/20/2013 10:32:15 AMWe don't like the 24 hour thing, but honestly I really like what they were doing with the games, making them digital property instead of physical. I liked that.
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I was inly beneffiting with the old policies, no no try anymore.
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Editado por sims3k: 6/20/2013 9:24:57 AMApparently microsoft removing the "family sharing" feature is a setback to pushing the gaming industry forward.... i get a good chuckle each time someone here says this. people! If you still want digital only media, you can go and bloody buy it off the marketplace, hell, even vendors sell codes to download digital copies of full games. You can access this game and download it from any xbox as long as you sign into your GT. This technology already exists
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Me too sir. Says a lot about those endorsing the whole sabotage for one exploitable deceit. it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction when you've boarded the wrong train. it's that simple.
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People can go to quite absurd lengths to avoid admitting that they're wrong....................
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Editado por ToastyWaffles: 6/20/2013 7:50:09 AMThe people who didn't mind X1's policies were the ones who weren't affected by them. The people who didn't often buy or sell used, people who had a good internet connection, and people who wanted to share games digitally with their friends. While I don't agree withsome of X1's former policies, I can understand why people still wanted to play it.
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1 RespuestaI never liked getting ripped off by Gamestop for a perfectly fine game I rarely played. I gave them a perfectly good, unopened copy of Bioshock, still in plastic, and they only gave me 10 bucks for it after 10 minutes of going "Really?". I have a steady internet connection, so it would've been no problem for me. For people in poorer areas or in the armed forces I can understand, but I'm sure just making it so you can only use the digitally purchased games online and allow use of discs for offline play would be perfect. So, currently as far as I know, I'm losing out on some really cool features they planned on because people want to be ripped off by Gamestop more. It makes as much sense as an abused housewife begging to go back to their abusive husband. I finally came to understanding why Microsoft was doing what they were, and I was excited about the benefits it could potentially bring, but now I'm screwed over because Sony's marketing team are lowly trolls and the Internet couldn't think to read between the lines.
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It's because the little kids think that the service would have been anything like Steam. Anyone older and with a brain didn't support the Xbox One until now
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I think the family feature was cool but it wasn't enough to balance out the loss of buying and playing pre owned games imo.
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I'm still going with PS4. I understand the want for full digital distribution and I understand the convenience it COULD bring. But the infrastructure needs to support it and the weakness of always connected is still a problem. PSN got hacked, Steam got hacked, everything gets hacked. I don't feel like losing the use of a standalone object playing proprietary software (because I don't crack or pirate games anyhow) for the sake of convenience. So, good on them. Sure, in the future always on could be the best way to do things, but I don't think we're there yet.
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I don't know but so glad we fought back on that DRM atrocity and got our rights back as consumers and gamers. I'm still not buying one for the sake of just buying a console. I will wait until it has games I care about it. All the game I do want are for pc atm so yeah. This does mean though if I bought Halo 5 in years to come I could keep playing the campaign without worry of the servers getting pulled and not being able to play my games. I like knowing I once again OWN any games I buy on the xbox one and not just renting them waiting for the death clock server to get shutdown for life rendering all xbox one games useless.
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2 RespuestasPeople talking like they're having their 'rights' given away like its some type of wartime human rights declaration piss me off. It reminds me of uni student activists who get in your face around student council election time and explode issues beyond proportion. Don't get me wrong, it's not entirely a positive direction but[i] jesus christ[/i] - don't make it out like Microsoft is stealing your house or something.
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1 RespuestaEditado por CND AAA Beef: 6/19/2013 11:41:25 PMI understand what Microsoft was trying to do. MS is trying to abandon disc based media entirely for this generation. However, they couldn't have completely abandoned it without major consumer backlash. We're not ready for a fully digital console yet. The "disc for installs only" was meant to be a stepping stone to get people comfortable with non-physical media. Full on digital distribution would have been the next step. Family Sharing, allowing your friend to "unlock" a game you brought over and installed on his Xbox, digitally "gifting" games to friends, and being able to download your entire game library to a different machine just by signing in would have been another nudge in that direction. Since this whole scheme would require lots of back end licence tracking and authenticating, trading and selling used games the old fashioned way would have created a lot of record keeping problems on the back end. I also imagine that publishers told MS "one or the other, but not both", which is why they tried to set up a means by which publishers could "opt in" or "opt out" of used games sales. Obviously, MS was ready for a digital future, but we weren't. The terrible PR that failed to put these benefits front and centre during the original console reveal didn't help things much either. If they set the record straight right then and there, I think consumers would have had a much different perspective on the Xbox One. Sony didn't "stand up for gamers", they just stuck to a model we were familiar with.
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If you think the whole point of the DRM was to take our "rights" away, well... -__-
