I maintain it's mostly just bad matchmaking due to lack of players. It's not going to change unless you get a less latent connection, like upgrading to fios or moving to another town. But that can also make it worse. 15 years ago I switched from cable internet to DSL and the lag got worse not better. The grass is always greener.

[quote]Potato connections. The amount of hardware cheaters in this game is through the roof, and Bungie won't do a damn thing to solve the problem with cheaters, cause the playbase is diminishing , so it would be suicide to ban players, cause then the player base diminishes further. 250% increase in ability usage and uptime, just remove the guns then Bungoe Weapons stats that makes no sense, lying recoil pattern meter. Elise's rifle with 65 range stats, out ranges a 89 range messenger 🤦🤔 You wanted to make "skills matter" and netfed all handcanons. And didn't touched scouts with 70meter 3tap range and auto rifles is used through the roof... logic... Lobby balancing (the part that actually makes fair teams) is a fugging joke, abit like Bungie. Pvp in destiny is in a black hole[/quote] There is no way to tell if someone you are playing against is using hardware “cheats”. And yet you claim that it’s “through the roof” lmao. Ability uptime is at an all time low in PvP. Recoil patterns are testable and repeatable. Just because you don’t understand them doesn’t mean they’re lying. There’s dozens of explanations you can look up online to learn how they work. You can also test damage falloff. Please learn how the game works. Hand cannons remain the most used weapon type last I checked. They have not been nerfed in a long time. You would cry even harder if they turned lobby balancing off.

Comically bad lobby balancing will always be the worst thing about crucible

[quote]Potato connections. The amount of hardware cheaters in this game is through the roof, and Bungie won't do a damn thing to solve the problem with cheaters, cause the playbase is diminishing , so it would be suicide to ban players, cause then the player base diminishes further. 250% increase in ability usage and uptime, just remove the guns then Bungoe Weapons stats that makes no sense, lying recoil pattern meter. Elise's rifle with 65 range stats, out ranges a 89 range messenger 🤦🤔 You wanted to make "skills matter" and netfed all handcanons. And didn't touched scouts with 70meter 3tap range and auto rifles is used through the roof... logic... Lobby balancing (the part that actually makes fair teams) is a fugging joke, abit like Bungie. Pvp in destiny is in a black hole[/quote] This is the worse pvp has ever been. Honestly I get killed by a primary weapon maybe 2-3 times a match and almost exclusively by a high impact rifle. Otherwise it's abilities/supers or shotguns. Tell u one thing I Def won't be getting marathon simply based on the fact I don't believe bungie can create a balanced game.

“Elise's rifle with 65 range stats, out ranges a 89 range messenger 🤦🤔” I can tell you now that this is objectively wrong With those stats messenger sits at 38.55 Elsie’s rifle at 35.49

This just proves trials keeps destiny alive. No one is streaming d2. Two weeks without trials is making me lose my mind.

[quote]The amount of hardware cheaters in this game is through the roof,[/quote] Prove it. What is your source? Don't make claims you can't back up. [quote]Elise's rifle with 65 range stats, out ranges a 89 range messenger 🤦🤔 [/quote] This is factually wrong, and I'm not sure what your point is... [quote]You wanted to make "skills matter" and netfed all handcanons. And didn't touched scouts with 70meter 3tap range and auto rifles is used through the roof.[/quote] Handcannons remain one of the if not the most competitive options in PVP. Autos are usually favored by "low-skill" players, while handcannons are usually favored by "high-skill" players. Who on earth is using a scout? Maybe in 6v6 players use scouts, but I rarely see them in Trials or competitive.

Yet you still playing for hours in PvP. Oh the irony.

It's alot better on console. Cheating there is limited to forbidden recoil devices which shall not be named and lag switchers.

Aside from ridiculous amount of cheaters the most funny thing is when you are half a minute or one minute in an IB game and first supers are popped. Everything normal...

Normally I don’t complain about PvP because I don’t really care, I play banner when I need pinnacles and rumble when I’m grinding a weapon or catalyst because the matches are quick. That being said I do find it odd that ppl seem to complain so much about abilities and secondary weapons in PvP but no one seems to have a problem with a HC being able to three tap you from across the map smh. I get this is a game and realism is out the window but come on a hand gun should not be able to out range a rifle of any kind, it’s ridiculous.